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I wonder what those people get out of repeatedly being ridiculed and looked down upon by said elitists.
I think that if you've got something worthwhile to add to the discusion, it shouldn't take much work to phrase it in a positive or pleasant manner. Take the quote to which I responded above:
". . . And yes, perhaps Mr. Williams oeuvre would have benefitted from the odd break from Spielberg, but that we will never know."
What ignorant, pretentious horseshit, right? But I resisted saying that (until now), in the hopes of making a more worthwhile point. The other collaborations Williams has explored apart from his longstanding one with Spielberg over the last couple of decades have yielded a number of interesting scores any composer would envy having written. Even what he wrote for Chris Columbus movies alone would make for a pretty good "oeuvre" (to use the "smarter"-sounding French term) in and of itself. . . . Why dredge up negativity if we have the opportunity instead to try to enlighten each other?
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Jul 1, 2013 - 1:11 AM
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Zoragoth
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I hear ya. While I generally enjoyed the Indy flicks, I did abhor the second installement. Big time!
That one was indeed the worst. The one good thing to come out of it: the Children's March!
I also agree with you in large part that Mr. Spielberg more a less reached his peak with DUEL, not yet having formed many of the bad habits that plagued several of his future projects(obnoxious kid, ADT plotting and and general overabundance of syrup... etc), but that is a matter of taste and not of fact of course.
Absolutely. There will always be those, raised on his films and cultural worldview, for lack of a better way of putting it, who will think he is Orson Welles. Thank you for letting me know I'm not the only one leery of Spielberg out here! ;-)
And for the record, I was in almost complete accord with your Brainstorm review, which was a very impressive early effort by Horner - made even more impresive by the outstanding re-recording by Varese Sarabande. However, I soon became disenchanted with the (then) relatively young composer, who not for one moment made me doubt Mr. Williams vast, vast talent.
Well said. Chalk my irate overreaction to the "Indiana Jones" effect! And for the record, it's not that those films are really *bad* per se, but they are wildly overrated. I think it's a case of films hitting the culture in just the right, lucky way upon their release, and quality often is a minor factor in such cases.
And yes, perhaps Mr. Williams oeuvre would have benefitted from the odd break from Spielberg, but that we will never know.
Anyway, thanks for a fun trip into the, seemingly, distant past. 
PS. You wouldn't happen to have a copy of that review lying around would you?
Laughing here, because I was about to ask *you!* Unfortunately, I lost all my SOUNDTRACK back issues, along with so much else, in a flood here in Fort Collins in '97. I notice that some of these are being republished online, along with CINEMASCORE articles. I've not checked in a while but hope more will appear as time goes by.
And, thank *you* in return! It's a good feeling to have a piece one has written remembered so long after the fact, even in cases like this where the writer is being held to account! ;-)
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YOR did not liked Goldsmith's "Total Recall" the first times he listened to it.
But them, after more listenings, YOR got it and it magicaly become one of YOR's favorite scores!
James Horner was one of YOR's favorite composers long time ago.
Now, YOR cannot remember what was the last of Horner that he really liked. "A Far of Place", maybe...
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Jul 1, 2013 - 12:11 PM
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Thor
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I must admit that I haven't noticed any 'derision' for people having a change of heart about things. If this has occured, it must have passed me by (and few things do).
But we've had quite a few threads about this over the years. Personally, I think it's a very natural and HEALTHY thing to avoid stasis, to continously explore and to re-evaluate previous preferences. That's what makes us grow as humanbeings.
Of course, we will always have a strong connection to the things we discovered in our formative years. This is something I see on this board all the time, and I'm 'guilty' of it myself. I don't see myself disliking the favourite discoveries of those years -- whether it's John Williams, Danny Elfman, Elliot Goldenthal, Hans Zimmer Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Jean Michel Jarre or The Alan Parsons Project, just to mention some. The passion for these artists may fluctuate a bit, but they will always be in my heart and I will always revisit them when I'm in the mood.
However, our interest in films and music branch out in many different directions that are in constant flux. I used to hate Bernard Herrmann; now I 'get' his cluster approach and find myself enjoying several of his scores. I used to prefer big, rambunctious action music; now I'm more into calmer, ambient, textural music of various kinds.
There is a whole slew of factors influencing our cognitive beings -- some of them biological (my fairly recent tinnitus affliction, for example), some psychological, some social and some cultural. A change of perspective is perfectly natural. So is the 'firm' love for certain things that have stayed with us since our formative years and will probably stay with us till we die.
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I have uttered things similar, and worse, to someone face to face. And would do it again if the situation called for it.
I don't think it was you who said something about riding Tyler's jock and that was plain uncalled for given this is a forum about enjoying soundtracks for heaven's sake. And I don't think someone would be that rude to say something like that to my face. Or I would hope not as that would say a lot more about the author of such a remark and their moral lexicon.
Also, let me add that it's not the fact that you changed your mind; who cares about that. It's the manner in which you did it (quitting FSM because people were praising Tyler, taking a shot at the ENTIRE forum by saying the only person you wanted to talk to was Mike West, and then coming back a few weeks later only to go over the top in your own praise of Tyler) that is worthy of such scorn and derision.
Seems like no one except you is hung up on this point.
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I like pancakes.
In the past, I used to prefer the finesse of a French crepe, but now I have come around and love the tantalizing fluffiness of the american pancake as well. Why settle for one when you have both, says this pompous and pretentious elitist?
Best pancakes ever! http://www.pantrycafe.com/
Yummers!
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