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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 4:26 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Do not take YOR the wrong way.

He liked the movie, it was like a fun rollercoster ride.

And the music was great too.

But, one must face it: the screenplay is filled with holes like a swiss cheese!

And some of these holes are big enough to engulf the Enterprise!

YOR did some research and found some very nice pages pointing the holes on this movie script.

Here are some good ones:

Wasn’t Spock already breaking the Prime Directive screwing around with the volcano? Why did he report Kirk’s violation of the Prime Directive and not get in trouble himself?

Aren’t starships created to withstand outward pressure, not inward pressure? Space is a vacuum, putting the Enterprise underwater reverses the pressure, doesn’t it?

Assuming you don’t vaporize from the heat inside a volcano, what are the odds that it can erupt (and spew lava onto a nearby village), but not a drop touches Spock’s suit?

Isn’t the Enterprise big? After Kirk and Bones survive an impossibly high jump into the ocean, how deep do they swim to reach the side hatch? Don’t they need to decompress?

Is Kirk just stupid? Why does he always anticipate a commendation when he is about to be court marshaled? Was Spock’s report secret? Surely he could have read it in advance.

If the most important people in Starfleet are getting together for the purpose of fighting terrorism, why would they do it in an unsafe location, subject to sneak attack?

Aren’t there sensors on Earth? We can detect life on a planet from orbit but we can’t find a specific escape ship flying around? Not even as it is approaching Starfleet HQ?

Forget how Kahn got his hands on the interstellar transport formula, why did he go to Qo’noS? It was clear that he didn’t have friends there. Maybe he was baiting Admiral Marcus.

That escape craft had some serious fire power. But Kirk wrecked it by very-accurately throwing something into the turbine intake. What? Combustion fuels in the future?

Nobody’s bitter? So if we cross into the Klingon neutral zone and kill several scores of warriors and leave – they don’t get a little mad about the treaty violation? What gives?

On a ship the size of Enterprise there’s no backup for the Chief of Engineering? We have to turn to the seventeen year old head of tactical? But there’s a backup for tactical? What?

Admiral Marcus gives Kirk special missiles. Cool. But 72 of them? Seriously, Kirk needed 72 missiles to kill a single man? Would he have really used all 72? And, why not 47 instead?

Okay, so Kahn is a good shot and really strong. But with that many Klingons around nobody shoots back at him while he is shooting at them? Why don’t they think to do that?

It was cool to see Urhura speak Klingon, but what was her plan? To appeal to their honor so they would forgive their violation of the neutral zone? How could that ever work?

If Starfleet were to construct a super weapon, wouldn’t they have some security around it? How can Scotty sneak up, let alone sneak in to a facility like that? Is nobody awake?

If the USS Vengeance is so high tech, they why can’t they detect a communicator talking to the Enterprise from inside her won belly? Again, is nobody awake at the controls?

That shipyard scene was cool, but it made one thing clear: there are lots of ships around Earth. How is it possible that Enterprise is all alone over Earth, fighting for Starfleet?

When Kahn hits debris and vanishes, how could he possible reaccelerate enough to catch up with Kirk and “guide him” into that little bity airlock? They jets appeared only lateral.

I happen to know that the Enterprise’s artificial gravity pulls down, not up. When she is in a free fall, why is Kirk running along the walls with Scotty? Shouldn’t he float?

If Kahn was hiding people in torpedoes, would he really pack them with explosives, too? How did Spock manage to “arm” one as to not be detected during transport?

After the crash on earth, considering how large the Enterprise is versus the “twice as large” Vengeance, Kahn’s slide down her shattered hull would be like sliding down two Empire State buildings. Shouldn’t the friction alone have melted his boots and his feet?

The “energizers”, “star drive” or “warp core” of a starship is pretty freaking powerful, if you think about it. If you were stand next to it, unshielded, and it suddenly ignited sufficient to power the Enterprise, wouldn’t you probably be vaporized Kirk?

Now that we have Kahn’s blood (rather Bone’s recreation of it), wouldn’t Starfleet bring everybody back to life? Like Captain Pike; arguably, the best character in the movie. Doesn’t this make it so nobody in Star Trek ever has to die again?

http://blog.jerrynixon.com/2013/05/star-trek-into-darkness-plot-holes.html

Surely there is more. Make your contribution!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

For a hunter from the Future, you sure can't figure out which side of the FSM board to post these things.

No choice meats for you.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


YOR did some research and found some very nice pages pointing the holes on this movie script.



If you enjoyed Star Trek 2 and actually had to trawl the internet subsequently so that other people could tell you how bad a film it really is, I suggest that the film makers have done their job.

If you ever get the chance to lie down with a woman, I strongly suggest you don't seek out any porn sites afterwards to tell you whether you had a good time or not. Because you won't have done. And whatever you do, please don't post about it. On either side of the board.

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

For a hunter from the Future, you sure can't figure out which side of the FSM board to post these things.

maybe there was only one discussion board in the days of yore, and that's what he's accustomed to wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:09 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Come on people, lets drink some dinossaur blood and have some fun!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I hate to defend the movie, but I actually have to respond to a couple of Yor's points:


Wasn’t Spock already breaking the Prime Directive screwing around with the volcano? Why did he report Kirk’s violation of the Prime Directive and not get in trouble himself?

Aren’t starships created to withstand outward pressure, not inward pressure? Space is a vacuum, putting the Enterprise underwater reverses the pressure, doesn’t it?


The Prime Directive is about non-interference with cultures; it governs how Starfleet people can interact with the actual local population, and I don't think it really applies the same way to interfering with other natural phenomena. Granted, in this case it does mean altering the effect a natural phenomenon would have on the people of that world, but since that effect would mean the people would be totally wiped out otherwise anyway (and thus have no future development with which to interfere), I don't think it's treated the same way. It's more like the Enterprise crew's efforts to deflect the space rock in the original series episode "The Paradise Syndrome."

Starships are indeed created to withstand pressure outward from within, but they're built to be tough and withstand all sorts of other trying things as well (such as hits from weaponry on other ships). The original series Enterprise was able to withstand a nuclear explosion. And IIRC, Scotty in this movie does point out the ship wasn't meant to be submerged.

All that said, there's a lot that I don't care for in this movie, but as far as plot holes go I think the previous movie from 2009 is a far greater offender.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

That is the spirit!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

If Khan cares so deeply about his followers that he'll literally cry about the thought of losing them, why doesn't he tell Kirk how to safely disarm the torpedoes that his followers are hidden in?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:22 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

And how come that Khan, who was sleeping for 300 years, could help admiral Robocop to build guns and ships using future technology that he knew nothing about it? It makes no sense!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

And how come that Khan, who was sleeping for 300 years, could help admiral Robocop to build guns and ships using future technology that he knew nothing about it? It makes no sense!

He's a fast learner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

And how come that Khan, who was sleeping for 300 years, could help admiral Robocop to build guns and ships using future technology that he knew nothing about it? It makes no sense!

He's a fast learner.


Hahahahaha! No way!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- He's a fast learner.

Makes complete and total sense how Khan and the rest of his followers could be so easily beaten...... in the 20th century.

At least with the original Khan, you got the sense that when the whole world 'rejected' him and his rule, he and his followers left so they could build an empire of their own without the rest of humanity getting in their way.

Kirk: You fled. Why? Were you afraid?
Khan: I've never been afraid.
Kirk: But you left at the very time mankind needed courage.
Khan: We offered the world ORDER!

Khan: And I've gotten something else I wanted. A world to win. An empire to build.

I miss that Khan.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Not to mention that the new Khan is short, skinny and looks like a playboy...

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   CrazyQuark   (Member)

Now that we have Kahn’s blood (rather Bone’s recreation of it), wouldn’t Starfleet bring everybody back to life? Like Captain Pike; arguably, the best character in the movie. Doesn’t this make it so nobody in Star Trek ever has to die again?

That's what Star Trek writers can do very well, overpowering the good guys. And the next time something like this could be helpful, it's all forgotten to "make the story work". It probably will be the same thing with that superduper-beaming technology.

In Voyager, 7of9 already came up with a way to resurrect the dead (in this case it was Neelix) and from what I remember it worked out pretty great (only Neelix had problems because of his beliefs and that was the point of the show) - nevertheless after the episode was over, it was all forgotten. There are probably many, many similar examples. It already started during the original series, when Kirk and his Crew discovered a (way too easy) way to time travel. It was somewhat understandable that they ignored that "flying around a sun"-thing after Star Trek IV. wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

And how come that Khan, who was sleeping for 300 years, could help admiral Robocop to build guns and ships using future technology that he knew nothing about it? It makes no sense!

In TOS, it is established that Khan can read the tech manuals for the Enterprise in about a day or two.

If his superior intellect allows him to understand 23rd Century technology that quickly, then having sufficient time and focus (which he would have under the thumb of Marcus), it is not unreasonable for his genetically engineered intellect and savagery to help Marcus create new weapons.

I also presume he was not working alone, but had other experts in Section 31 involved as well.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Not even YOR, who's intelect is far superior than Khan's, would be able to such a feat.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Not even YOR, who's intelect is far superior than Khan's, would be able to such a feat.

"detect such smelly feet?" Just trying to figure out what the great "intelect" is saying here.
Kirk says it best in WRATH: "I'm laughing at the superior intellect."

Misspellings aside, I agree with Yor's critique of the Abrams flick, but there are plenty of stupid plotholes, redundancies, anachronisms, inconsistencies, character lapses, etc. in the last 3 NextGen flicks, and they werent very entertaining. At least the Abrams flick was entertaining.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Not even YOR, who's intelect is far superior than Khan's, would be able to such a feat.

"detect such smelly feet?" Just trying to figure out what the great "intelect" is saying here.
Kirk says it best in WRATH: "I'm laughing at the superior intellect."

That said, of course I agree with Yor's critique of the Abrams flick.


See?

Even Kirk know YOR is better.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   Matt S.   (Member)

http://www.mandatory.com/2013/06/28/a-defense-of-plot-holes-in-film/

I know Yor said he liked the movie in his original post, and this thread has (so far) been pretty lighthearted, but I thought this article was quite appropriate to add here anyway.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Almost all movies have plot holes.

But there are some plot holes that are just preposterous!

This new Star Trek movie is great fun, yes.

But some plot holes are way TOO BIG to ignore!

 
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