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Doctor No also has a 1963 release date.
A lot of people think the "Doctor No" soundtrack album (and unreleased cues) are public domain, because everyone assumes the LP came out in 1962.
It did not. It did not come out until 1963.
And since the so-called 50 year rule became a 70 year rule before 1963 albums became eligible, it means that neither "Doctor No" nor "From Russia With Love" is public domain.
But there are now multiple releases of this on CD which appear to be on the presumption it is.
Cheers
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Sep 19, 2014 - 10:05 AM
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Somehow people on this forum never finish their statement with "in the US" since things are not the same everywhere.
As for me, I own some Harkit and Tsunami albums and I have no reason to believe that something is wrong with them. In a few cases, these are EUROPEAN soundtracks printed in EUROPE (Piero Piccioni, Piero Umiliani releases), so why would this have anything to do with US laws?
My problem with the recent Harkit release is just the bad information, the bad idea of releasing things already released (and in print?) by better labels, the DVD rips, the poor sound, etc. I am for sure not interested in these recent releases, and if they are illegal in the UK, we might as well not speak about them. But I don't understand why people would systematically ban everything from these labels.
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First of all, I would take any of the extended Bonds - legal or not. It's really Harkit's treatment that makes them not recommendable.
I also don't understand why it should make any difference where the recordings were produced. All recordings recorded before 1963 and either released before 1963 or unreleased until 2013 are in the public domain in certain countries now. It doesn't matter where they recorded - what matters is where the re-issue/premiere issue is released/distributed.
Even if the "Dr. No" album was released in 1963, parts of it would still be in the public domain - namely those that were heard in the movie itself (which was released in 1962). Of course, we could now discuss if the studio tracks itself (without the dialog and effects) selected for LP release are now in the public domain - or if this only applies to the mixed movie track. One thing is for sure, though: if the complete "Dr. No" tapes ever surfaced, any label could release them in the EU, Canada or Australia - one way or another. You may say those recordings are in the public domain because the movie itself has been released before 1963 - or you may argument that the recordings were produced before 1963, but never released in the fifty-years timeframe (except for the tracks included on the LP)...
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Somehow people on this forum never finish their statement with "in the US" since things are not the same everywhere.
As for me, I own some Harkit and Tsunami albums and I have no reason to believe that something is wrong with them. In a few cases, these are EUROPEAN soundtracks printed in EUROPE (Piero Piccioni, Piero Umiliani releases), so why would this have anything to do with US laws?
My problem with the recent Harkit release is just the bad information, the bad idea of releasing things already released (and in print?) by better labels, the DVD rips, the poor sound, etc. I am for sure not interested in these recent releases, and if they are illegal in the UK, we might as well not speak about them. But I don't understand why people would systematically ban everything from these labels.
I am not talking about the US laws.
Harkit is a British CD label operating in Britain where the 50 (now 70) year rule applies.
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First of all, I would take any of the extended Bonds - legal or not. It's really Harkit's treatment that makes them not recommendable.
I also don't understand why it should make any difference where the recordings were produced. All recordings recorded before 1963 and either released before 1963 or unreleased until 2013 are in the public domain in certain countries now. It doesn't matter where they recorded - what matters is where the re-issue/premiere issue is released/distributed.
Even if the "Dr. No" album was released in 1963, parts of it would still be in the public domain - namely those that were heard in the movie itself (which was released in 1962). Of course, we could now discuss if the studio tracks itself (without the dialog and effects) selected for LP release are now in the public domain - or if this only applies to the mixed movie track. One thing is for sure, though: if the complete "Dr. No" tapes ever surfaced, any label could release them in the EU, Canada or Australia - one way or another. You may say those recordings are in the public domain because the movie itself has been released before 1963 - or you may argument that the recordings were produced before 1963, but never released in the fifty-years timeframe (except for the tracks included on the LP)...
Stefan, I don't know if the 50 year rule applies to unreleased film score music or not but the point is moot since the Harkit disc contains the studio album which is most definitely not public domain.
That said, if someone produced a complete "Moonraker" (and not that shitty from-the-back-channel, music-and-dialogue-with-the-effects-and-dialogue-crudely-suppressed thing), I wouldn't be able to say no.
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