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 Posted:   Apr 7, 2013 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

The new celebration music is a variation of Luke and Leia's theme. It's not very hard to spot, the clue is in the first few notes of the melody and the phrasing.

I doubt it was intentional. First 4 notes are the same (though in different keys) but everything afterword is completely different. The initial phrase of Luke and Leia resolves in a major key, the new theme in a minor key. Even the first 4 notes have slightly different phrasing with the new theme employing syncopation. Combine that with the fact that the new theme plays more like a source cue and it seems doubtful that Williams would try to make a link. Could be wrong but that's my interpretation.

- Adam

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2013 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I always felt the original ending to Jedi lacked scope, from the "contained on planet" feeling to "Lub Dub." With the focus shifted to the entire galaxy and the redone music, I actually felt these two changes improved what I considered a pretty lame ending to a huge trilogy. The 1997 Special Edition of Jedi is my favorite cut of this film. However, the later changes were definitely overkill and worthless to me.

I must be getting old, or young, or just mellow because I never had a problem with the "Lub Dub" version of the Ewok Celebration. I by far prefer the album version over the one heard in the film which had the "human" chorus. I've also never really had a problem with the Ewoks(!) but then I was not-quite 12 in 1983. At the time I'd wondered why Lucas didn't have the Empire on Chewbacca's planet--oh wait, the 1978 Holiday Special. wink

I appreciate the 1997 "New Age" sounding one but I always thought that the Empire could continue despite being defeated at Endor. However that was in the Brave New World that was the Jar-Jar less, Hayden Christensen-less Star Wars Universe of a "Long Time Ago..." (to quote a blog post I read).

Was there ever a preliminary ROTJ double LP cue listing? I remember passing on the single LP because I had been spoiled by the previous two LP releases. I guess the 1993 Arista CD could be considered as such but that and my hoped-for release of an ESB CD of the old 2-LP set are grist for other threads. smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2013 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I like both versions of the finale, although I don't like how the Special Edition version is edited in the film (on disc, the one track concludes before the end title begins, which works better for me). Neither are really in the language of the rest of the scores, and so add a different sound to the saga's conclusion. The newer version definitely has a more epic feel to it, but I also like the original, particularly the less chattering film version, because it has a euphoric quality to it the more jaded revision lacks.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2013 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I believe I read when the deal was struck that the original Star Wars movies are still owned for distribution by 20th Century Fox

FOX owns Episode IV. The rest were independently funded by Lucas and only released through Fox.


Actually, 20th Century Fox did own the original movie itself for the first twenty years of its existence, but Lucas / Lucasfilm finagled the ownership away around the time of the SEs (though supposedly not when the SE was released theatrically, but instead somewhere in the window between that and the video release, somehow).

Jedi Rocks is also remarkable for being the only piece of music in the Star Wars franchise (to this date) not composed by Williams. Obviously if you get into Clone Wars, Droids, Ewoks, etc, that changes, but in the canon movie series, it's just Jedi Rocks

Well, that and the 20th Century Fox Fanfare, of course. wink

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Was there ever a preliminary ROTJ double LP cue listing? I remember passing on the single LP because I had been spoiled by the previous two LP releases. I guess the 1993 Arista CD could be considered as such but that and my hoped-for release of an ESB CD of the old 2-LP set are grist for other threads. smile

I posted a thread asking the same question ages ago. I also asked people to come up with their own 2 LP mix. Nobody quite matched the crazy mix and match that Star Wars and Empire had. It was pretty much existing tracks with people's favorites added to the 1983 LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2013 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I came up with several different "double LP" variations, all of which were totally *bogged down* by those boring concert suites, "Luke and Leia" and "Parade of the Ewoks", which I felt should be included, since John Williams specifically recorded them for LP release. Man, I hate to say it, as I love STAR WARS, but this score really cries out for an "Imperial March"-type track; it's the most sluggish of the Original Trilogy film scores. Third time's not always the charm, I guess...

I ended up with a track listing without any of the concert suites, which was actually much more enjoyable.

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2013 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Was there ever a preliminary ROTJ double LP cue listing? I remember passing on the single LP because I had been spoiled by the previous two LP releases. I guess the 1993 Arista CD could be considered as such but that and my hoped-for release of an ESB CD of the old 2-LP set are grist for other threads. smile

I posted a thread asking the same question ages ago. I also asked people to come up with their own 2 LP mix. Nobody quite matched the crazy mix and match that Star Wars and Empire had. It was pretty much existing tracks with people's favorites added to the 1983 LP.


Since there wasn't a 2-LP for either Raiders of the Lost Ark or Return of the Jedi then all we have are fan mixes, but it sure would be nice to know if any paperwork exists for a proposed 2-LP set.


I ended up with a track listing without any of the concert suites, which was actually much more enjoyable.

If you have it handy, could you post that track listing? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2013 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

If you have it handy, could you post that track listing? smile


Hi, Jim.

I'm actually cleaning my apartment and going through stuff right now. If I come across my notebook where I keep such stuff listed, or if I find the actual CD-R I made, I'd be happy to list the tracks I included. I'll definitely keep an eye out.

However, keep in mind, my tastes might be very different from yours.

I think the final version I came up with was kind of a hybrid, using both the Anthology and the 2-disc Special Edition, so some people might not like minor sound differences...


ADDED APRIL 10, 2013:


Haven't found the "Suites-less" version but here's the version I like best which DOES contain the suites, Jim. It runs 79:43 and uses the Anthology Disc 3 as its main source.

1) 20th Century Fox Fanfare (optional) :23
2) Main Title 5:22
3) Fight In the Dungeon 3:42
4) Luke and Leia 4:48
5) The Emperor Arrives 2:08
6) Han Solo Returns (album version) 4:10

7) Parade of the Ewoks 3:27
8) Into the Trap 2:39
9) The Death of Yoda 6:06
10) Heroic Ewok (inserted from disc 4) 3:08
11) Through the Flames 1:39
12) Lapti Nek (inserted from disc 4) 2:50

13) The Forest Battle (suite version) 4:05
14) Leia Breaks the News / Funeral Pyre for a Jedi (album version) 2:23
15) The Emperor Confronts Luke 3:29
16) Darth Vader's Death 2:34
17) First Ewok Battle / Fight With the Fighters 7:24 (I call it "The Battle Begins")

18) The Final Duel / Into the Death Star 3:40
19) The Emperor's Death 2:45
20) Return of the Jedi (sometimes called "Sail Barge Assault") 5:03
21) Ewok Celebration and Finale (album version) 7:58


The "sides" run 20:33, 19:49, 19:55 and 19:26 respectively.

Hope this is something like what you were interested in, Jim. I'll keep looking for my *other* notebook which might have the "suites-less" sequencing line-up in it.

Apologies to the original poster for going (more than) a little off topic...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2013 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

Here's a version without the suites which I had in my car. Sorry if some of my choices seem a little strange to some ("The Droids Are Captured"). It's also chronological. (Don't tell Thor!!) Again, it uses Anthology Disc Three (except where noted) for most of the tracks. It runs app. 78:42. The "sides" would run about 19:48, 22:02, 19:33 and 17:19....

1) 20th Century Fox Fanfare (optional) :23
2) Main Title 5:22
3) The Droids Are Captured 1:17 (SE disc 1)
4) Han Solo Returns 4:01 (SE disc 1)
5) Fight In the Dungeon 3:42
6) Return of the Jedi 5:03

7) The Death of Yoda 6:06
8) Alliance Assemby 2:11 (SE disc 1)
9) Faking the Code 4:07 (Anthology disc 4)
10) Speeder Bike Chase / Land of the Ewoks 9:38 (SE disc 1)

11) Into the Trap 2:39
12) First Ewok Battle / Fight With the Fighters 7:24
13) The Ewok Battle (film version) 2:51 (Anthology disc 4)
14) Leia is Wounded / Luke and Vader Fight 2:59 (Anthology disc 4)
15) Final Lightsaber Duel / Into the Death Star 3:40

16) The Emperor's Death 2:45
17) Darth Vader's Death 2:34
18) Through the Flames 1:39
19) Leia Breaks the News / Funeral Pyre for a Jedi (album version) 2:23
20) Ewok Celebration and Finale (album version) 7:58

 
 Posted:   Jun 20, 2014 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Not a fantasy album presentation but finally got a Jedi playlist that I'm happy with.
Lots of micro edits within tracks. Hefty running time of 1 hr 27 mins.

20th Century Fox Fanfare
Main Title - Approaching The Death Star Edit
Alliance Assembly - Shuttle Tydirium Approaches Endor
Den of the Rancor - Alternate Bonus Track Sail Barge Assault (Alternate)
Han Solo Returns - The Fleet Enters Hyperspace - Speeder Chase - Land of the Ewoks
Luke And Leia
The Battle Of Endor I Edit
Emperor's Throne Room
Parade Of The Ewoks
The Emperor Arrives - The Death Of Yoda - Obi-Wan's Revelation Edit
The Battle Of Endor II Edit
Brother And Sister - Father And Son Edit
The Battle Of Endor III Edit
Leia's News - Light Of The Force
End Title Edit

 
 Posted:   Jun 21, 2014 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

If you have it handy, could you post that track listing? smile


Hi, Jim.

I'm actually cleaning my apartment and going through stuff right now. If I come across my notebook where I keep such stuff listed, or if I find the actual CD-R I made, I'd be happy to list the tracks I included. I'll definitely keep an eye out.

However, keep in mind, my tastes might be very different from yours.

I think the final version I came up with was kind of a hybrid, using both the Anthology and the 2-disc Special Edition, so some people might not like minor sound differences...


Belated thanks for posting your list, jenkwombat; it is appreciated.


Apologies to the original poster for going (more than) a little off topic...

The best discussions come with a bit of off-topic content thrown in.

 
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