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To me, the music for "Voyager" always seemed to be the unsung hero of the show. A release of it's music would be most welcomed. The scoring was more adventurous (considering the plotting) and developed a more evocative feel to it.
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A few suggestions for the Chattaway Disc
Caretaker - Voyager's depart from DS9 ~1:00 (act 1)
One - Seven's daily routine ~2:00 (act 2)
One - The false alarm in engineering ~1:30 (act 2)
One - The "game" between the alien and seven ~3:00 (act 4)
Hunters - Teaser (the starfleet message) ~2:30 (act 0)
Hunters - Janeway gets a letter from her fiance ~1:30 (act 2)
Scorpion 1 - The crew survey's the dead armada ~1:30 (act 2)
Scorpion 2 - Teaser ~2:00 (act 0)
Scorpion 2 - 8472 Attacks Voyager ~3:00 (act 2)
Scorpion 2 - Voyager in fluidic space ~3:30 (act 4)
Night - The alien's plea for help ~1:30 (act 2)
Night - Mutiny on the Bridge ~3:30 (act 4)
Night - Destroying the Vortex+End ~4:30 (act 5)
In the flesh - Chakotay gets captured ~2:00 (act 3)
Equinox 1 - Teaser (equinox under attack) ~1:00 (act 0)
Equinox 2 - Reap+Teaser ~2:30 (act 0)
Equinox 2 - Ransom's change of heart ~7:00 (act 5)
Pathfinder - Barclay sends a message (chase through holo-voyager) ~6:00 (act 4)
Spirit Folk - Harry's Date with a cow ~2:30 (act 1)
Spirit Folk - Tom and Harry chased in FH ~1:00 (act 3)
Haunting of Deck 12 - The Shutdown seq. ~2:00 (act 1)
Haunting of Deck 12 - Abandoning ship ~5:00 (act 5)
The Void - The montage / escape from the void ~4:00 (act 5)
Drive - The race begins ~1:00 (act 2)
Author, Author - The dilithium mines ~1:30 (act 5)
Endgame - Teaser (celebration music) ~0:30 (act 0)
Endgame - Old Janeway says her goodbyes ~1:30 (act 1)
Endgame - Voyager enters the nebula for the 1st time ~1:30 (act 4)
Endgame - Old Jane travels back in time ~3:00 (act 5)
Endgame - The Queen's message to seven ~2:00 (act 6)
Endgame - The crew returns to the Nebula ~3:00 (act 7)
Endgame - Old Jane tells Janeway about Seven and Tuvok ~1:30 (act 8)
Endgame - Voyager returns home ~8:00 (act 10)
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Jan 1, 2014 - 7:17 PM
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pp312
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And finally, while this has nothing to do with the quality of Voyager's music... to be frank, as a TV show, it leaves a lot to be desired. Most of it was dreck, with the exception of episodes about the Doctor; and I give the credit for that to Robert Picardo being awesome, rather than writing skill. Captain Proton episodes also tended to be very enjoyable, and if there's any Captain Proton music still unreleased I'd love for LLL to include that on their inevitable Voyager set.
You think? Personally I preferred Voyager to all the Star Treks except Enterprise. (I hated Next Generation. A next generation that looked older than the old generation? Nah). I thought Robert Picardo was great, a true highlight, but somehow just couldn't get interested in what a hologram--a corporeal(?) projection--was doing. Similarly I disliked the Captain Proton episodes because...er...I just couldn't get interested in what a hologram was doing. I'm strange, I know.
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Major collections of all or most of the score are a must for Endgame, Year of Hell, Equinox, Dark Frontier and Scorpion.
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Jan 19, 2014 - 11:47 AM
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CrazyQuark
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I just realised I haven't posted my favourite music of this show yet, so... let's dive into it.
I'm a huge fan of what Chattaway did on that show, so expect a lot of Chattaway-tracks. 
I second what's been said already on Caretaker - the cues where the Voyager departed from DS9 were an odd omission from the original album, a mistake that thanksfully didn't repeat on the Enterprise-Broken Bow-release. On the original Caretaker album it also seems a bit odd that Main Title aside we have to wait until near the end of the score before the Voyager-theme appears in the episode score, and the Voy@Ds9-cues would have fixed that. (But instead of putting these cues on a compilation, maybe an expanded version of the pilot score would be a possibility?...)
"Basics Part II"
Whoa! How did that happen? McCarthy was able to put the Main Title theme at full force into the score an no one edited it out? What a shame this is pretty much the only time that happened - I really missed something like that on the "Endgame"-score for example. Either way this cue is a must have on a Voyager-set, that's for sure!
"The Chute"
And shortly after Basics Part II, there's another episode coming with a moment of very noticable music, during the scene where Harry Kim and that other prisoner are climbing up that pipe-thing only to realise they are on a space station. A great moment with no dialogue and no big sound effects so Chattaway took the chance to shine.
"Unity"
David Bell surprised me here with some really big action music. I think that was one of the first times (if not the first) he did this, previous scores were more wallpaper-ish. Especially outstanding is the music near the beginning of the episode with Chakotay battling these weird Borg-guys, but some of the later material isn't bad either.
"Before and After"
The cue where Kes is going into the Jefferies tube, having a date with that Torpedo that didn't blew up.
"Rise"
Now this episode features one of the visually most unexciting space battles ever. Two ships, moveless in space while the camera isn't moving either and the ships fire some phasers - occasionally. Don't know what happened here since at the same time they already did super exciting space battles on DS9. Anyway, Chattaway tries to make up for it with amazing action music which is really too good for this scene - one of my most sought after pieces of the show actually. Please, please include that! 
"Displaced"
Pretty exciting music here as well, the first piece coming up when Chakotay is walking/running through the ship, while pretty much everyone else is either gone or disappearing just right now. Also, there are two fairly long great action cues later on when Janeway and Co. escaped from their "prison" and try to get out of the alien ship, fighting the aliens etc.
"Scorpion Parts I & II"
Ok, I really don't need the music from the first part's teaser. But everything else...
that one cue from "Rise" aside this is my favourite score. When was the last time a alien race got a theme? That must be in the Ron Jones-days. There's also some sort of secondary theme for the Voyager crew, introduced after the recap in Part II, but it also pops up later again.
"Scientific Method"
Another episode with a fairly long scene with not much dialogue and no big sound effects, another chance for Chattaway to sneak in something thematic - during the scene when 7of9 is walking through the ship with the ability to see the invisible alien intruders and what they are doing to the crew.
"Concerning Flight"
As much as Voyager is concerned, this is one of my favourites from McCarthy. This score has this great "sense of wonder"-sound which I really like from McCarthy. The cue near the end when Janeway and DaVinci fly away from this two amazingly threatening extras is amazing. I also enjoyed the short pieces of music for DaVinci, for example the one that ends the episode.
"Message in a Bottle"
The music from the battle near the end. A rare chance for Bailleargeon to score space action. I don't think he did that very often.
"Night"
Don't really have some specific cues for that one since the score is great allaround. There's some sort of "sad-mystery"-like music during a scene Neelix looks out a window and only sees black, but this score also features a lot of great suspense/action-stuff. Especially noticable were the "Cliffhanger"-like cues which are ending the various acts here.
Also, there's Captain Proton, but to be honest? David Bell's already released entry is much much superior, imho.
"Drone"
Hm, I think there was a scene late in the episode where the Borg sphere is moving towards a nebula or some other space phenomena, I don't really remember. But I remember the music being quite nice during that scene.
"In the Flesh"
Chakotay tries to run away from these 8472-humans, while they are are switching from Night to Day-mode so that they can find him better. This cue was already mentioned in the thread, and rightfully so, since it's really great. I was a bit dissapointed that Chattaway doesn't really revisit his 8472-theme here, but this cue features something closely related at least (but on the other hand the same is true for some cues he did for DS9) so I'm not sure whether this was intentional or not. Unlike McCarthy or Bell, Chattaway never really seemed to reuse his little motifs and themes throughout his scores, despite the fact that many of them sound somewhat related or similar in style.
"Dark Frontier Part I & II"
When I first saw this two-parter, I liked it quite a lot, also part because of David Bell's great music which seemed a bit inspired by Goldsmith's Borg-material for First Contact. And while I still like the score quite a lot, I didn't took long to realise that this episode is horribly written. Lots of bullshit really. Oh well. Another reason to isolate the music from that... 
"Shattered"
This episode surprised me because Chattaway brings the Courage-fanfare back into the mix. When was the last time this happened on one of the television shows? (Probably the Ds9-Tribble-show.) It appears very subtly during the scene when Tuvok dies in one of these alternate realities. Unless I'm imagening things off course.
"Homestead"
And again! When Neelix leaves the Voyager and beams away.
There you have it. My favourite stuff.
No wallpaper, but lot's of hummable themes and such. Imho of course.
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a Voyager set would be great. As much as I love the Ron Jones set, I would've much rather have a Jay Chattaway Project or Dennis McCarthy Project from DS9...
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a Voyager set would be great. As much as I love the Ron Jones set, I would've much rather have a Jay Chattaway Project or Dennis McCarthy Project from DS9...
Dennis McCarthy over Chattaway for me. Though it did get better in later years, Chattaway's music has always been somewhat too simplistic for my tastes - I'm not sure what it is, and I know it's a matter of stylistic preference, but Dennis McCarthy seems to deal with more complex harmonic layering as well as more complex rhythmic layering. Chattaway tends to have much simpler compositions that comes off as being a lot thinner to me, and they very rarely push that envelope dynamically. (Scorpion in VGR and Call to Arms not withstanding, but even those don't get quite as frenetic as say battle scenes from Way of the Warrior or Die is Cast among dozens of others). His emotional music is fine, but his action music just doesn't seem to get the adrenaline going, IMO.
I think the Ron Jones set was fine though - up until that date the only thing of Ron's that had ever been released was Best of Both Worlds and the suite from Heart of Glory.
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Two more great cues:
Author, Author - Cue M56 Rev -- "Holograms Be Free" (The ending cue in the mines in tha Alpha Quadrant)
The Void - Cue M54 Rev -- "Montage/Battle Begins" (The cool montage cue and the following short action part)
And don't include this, but apparently Jay was not a big fan of the episode "Fury" 
"box no. 41; folder no. 4; Episode 241 -- Fury -- Scores; Score -- Cue M55 Rev -- End To Pathetic Episode; 2000"
(source: Chattaway, Jay, Film Composer. Papers )
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Jan 21, 2014 - 9:41 AM
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CrazyQuark
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a Voyager set would be great. As much as I love the Ron Jones set, I would've much rather have a Jay Chattaway Project or Dennis McCarthy Project from DS9...
Dennis McCarthy over Chattaway for me. Though it did get better in later years, Chattaway's music has always been somewhat too simplistic for my tastes - I'm not sure what it is, and I know it's a matter of stylistic preference, but Dennis McCarthy seems to deal with more complex harmonic layering as well as more complex rhythmic layering. Chattaway tends to have much simpler compositions that comes off as being a lot thinner to me, and they very rarely push that envelope dynamically. (Scorpion in VGR and Call to Arms not withstanding, but even those don't get quite as frenetic as say battle scenes from Way of the Warrior or Die is Cast among dozens of others). His emotional music is fine, but his action music just doesn't seem to get the adrenaline going, IMO.
Interesting. I'm the first to agree that Chattaway's music is more simple, though. But it doesn't bother me much, in most cases it's the opposite for me I think. Overall I think that has to do with musical taste, so I'm not sure I'm making any sense, but on an emotional level, Chattaway is more to the point for me, and his simplistic (if you will) but imho catchy tunes stay in my head much more than what McCarthy usually does.
I think McCarthy is very good at composing sad, emotional music too, for example but in many of these cases I remember the music being great/emotional/sad/whatever, but I don't remember any motif or something.
Another thing where I prefer Chattaway is the overall mood in some of his action music. Again, I agree that McCarthy's action in let's say "Way of the Warrior" is much more fastpaced and actionorientated and complex than anything in "Call to Arms" for example, but what irks me a bit sometimes about McCarthy's approach is that the music is very "light". It says "Action! But don't worry! The good guys will make it" whereas Chattaway's music more says "Action! Oh no! Will the good guys make it?". But again - just a personal preference... I certainly don't want some sort of war here as to who is the better composer.
And don't include this, but apparently Jay was not a big fan of the episode "Fury"
"box no. 41; folder no. 4; Episode 241 -- Fury -- Scores; Score -- Cue M55 Rev -- End To Pathetic Episode; 2000"
(source: Chattaway, Jay, Film Composer. Papers )
Haha! I'd say that Chattaway is spot on with that cue-title. The portrayal of Kes in this episode was simply put, just unbelievable. (Not the actors fault - but the writers, who just wanted some crappy action-episode and totally ignored who Kes was as a person. Oh well. Pathetic indeed.)
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The Thaw (Bell) - The "circus" pieces featured in the Clown's reality. They could be presented as a nice 5 minute suite
Survival Instict (McCarthy) - The closing cue when Naomi and Seven talk. Short, but nice
Friendship One (Baillargeon) - Lt. Carey's death
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Voyager was garbage, but hot damn that clown episode ("The Thaw") had a great ending (though not all of the episode was done so well).
Re-written and re-plotted some, that would have been a nice fit into classic TOS.
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