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It seems your opinion of this score is a rare one. Most people dismiss it as boring and uninspired aside from the opening vocal piece which is barely reprised throughout the score proper. That said, I've never seen the film myself so I'm itching to know what unreleased music stood out to you as worthy of being on an expanded release. Lord knows I'll buy virtually any expanded/complete Goldsmith... Yavar
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It seems your opinion of this score is a rare one. Most people dismiss it as boring and uninspired aside from the opening vocal piece which is barely reprised throughout the score proper. That said, I've never seen the film myself so I'm itching to know what unreleased music stood out to you as worthy of being on an expanded release. Yavar What you said. Outside of that opening cue, and a few other scattered around, almost all the action material was warmed-over stuff he'd done better in the past. Sad, given the circumstances. I was just talking about how funny it was that the Affleck of today--the well-respected, bearded Affleck--would have probably been more well-received as Jack Ryan than the Affleck of the early 2000s. Potentially great film hurt by his presence.
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Oh yeah this would be an awesome score to have expanded.
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Yes! I'm a big fan of that score. There is a lot of great unrealead music in there. What I really want is the softer, orchestral version of the main theme. It plays a few times in the film and on the cd it segues into that crappy song. Can you tell us any more about the unreleased music besides the "softer, orchestral version of the main theme" which certainly sounds intriguing to me! (Superman1707, solium, feel free to chime in too.) The album didn't have enough of the main theme on it, so if the complete score has more I say release it! Maybe Jerry pulled a Star Trek: Nemesis on this one and made the album half boring "warmed-over" suspense music even though there was much superior recorded material to release... What you said. Outside of that opening cue, and a few other scattered around, almost all the action material was warmed-over stuff he'd done better in the past. Sad, given the circumstances. Well, Shaun, all I can say is that at least his last score, Looney Tunes: Back in Action, was fresh and exciting and he didn't go out with something mediocre! Yavar
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I feel the film is underrated as well. Yes, Affleck is the weak link, but he's surrounded by superb character actors at the top of their game. And it's a shame that Liev Schreiber didn't get to reprise his role as John Clark in WITHOUT REMORSE, which sadly never happened. I do wonder if Paramount might do a push for expanded scores from the Jack Ryan franchise, as they seem to have done with the Trek movie scores. It probably wouldn't actually have much of an effect on soundtrack expansions, but it is interesting that Paramount are reportedly trying to make a real go of setting up a multi-strand franchise from the Tom Clancy books. We all know Chris Pine is playing Ryan in Ken Branagh's upcoming entry in the series, but they are supposedly also trying again with WITHOUT REMORSE. Apparently Kevin Costner's deal to play William Harper, who recruits and serves as a mentor for Ryan in the new film, also includes options to play the character in WITHOUT REMORSE and a potential stand-alone film for the William Harper character, according to this story from Aug 2012: http://collider.com/tom-hardy-without-remorse-jack-ryan-kevin-costner/
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I feel the film is underrated as well. Yes, Affleck is the weak link, but he's surrounded by superb character actors at the top of their game. And it's a shame that Liev Schreiber didn't get to reprise his role as John Clark in WITHOUT REMORSE, which sadly never happened. / Schreiber is fantastic in most things he's in. I cannot understand why he's still on the B (or even C) team.
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I do wonder if Paramount might do a push for expanded scores from the Jack Ryan franchise, as they seem to have done with the Trek movie scores. I have my doubts but it would be AWESOME! Before this thread I'd have almost assumed that Goldsmith's was the weakest of the four Jack Ryan scores, aside from the amazing opening vocal piece. I'd have rated them thusly: The Hunt for Red October (Poledouris) >> Clear and Present Danger (Horner) >>>>> Patriot Games (Horner) > The Sum of All Fears (Goldsmith) If they were all expanded I might have to revise my rankings... Yavar
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One thing that'd be nice about a new edition of this from one of our beloved specialty labels: They could eliminate that crossfade from Goldsmith's final cue into the annoying pop song at the end! Yavar
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One thing that'd be nice about a new edition of this from one of our beloved specialty labels: They could eliminate that crossfade from Goldsmith's final cue into the annoying pop song at the end! Yeah, that shoehorned in song! Which crappy guys did they bring in to write that?!? Goldsmith and Williams? Never heard of 'em! Stupid pop hacks ruining Jerry Goldsmith's score!
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