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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

After years I just have been listening to it again - and I was as a result wondering when it´ll be released in expanded form. I remember from the movie that there was some music missing from the OST... and I really have to wonder why I haven´t thought about this score more often in the past.

It´s occasionally extremely beautiful and sometimes full of suspense. The highly polished orchestration is also very appealing. Combine that with Goldsmiths' no-nonsense approach and the elegance with which the score progresses. It seems so... sincere, earnest and graceful. If that would have been Jerry Goldsmith's style during the past ten years I´d have loved it! I mean... this style was foreshadowed on 'Hollow Man' and 'Along came a Spider' but 'The Sum of all Fears' tops it all.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It seems your opinion of this score is a rare one. Most people dismiss it as boring and uninspired aside from the opening vocal piece which is barely reprised throughout the score proper. That said, I've never seen the film myself so I'm itching to know what unreleased music stood out to you as worthy of being on an expanded release. Lord knows I'll buy virtually any expanded/complete Goldsmith...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Yes! I'm a big fan of that score. There is a lot of great unrealead music in there. What I really want is the softer, orchestral version of the main theme. It plays a few times in the film and on the cd it segues into that crappy song.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

It seems your opinion of this score is a rare one. Most people dismiss it as boring and uninspired aside from the opening vocal piece which is barely reprised throughout the score proper. That said, I've never seen the film myself so I'm itching to know what unreleased music stood out to you as worthy of being on an expanded release.

Yavar


What you said. Outside of that opening cue, and a few other scattered around, almost all the action material was warmed-over stuff he'd done better in the past. Sad, given the circumstances.

I was just talking about how funny it was that the Affleck of today--the well-respected, bearded Affleck--would have probably been more well-received as Jack Ryan than the Affleck of the early 2000s. Potentially great film hurt by his presence.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

Oh yeah this would be an awesome score to have expanded. smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I love this score. Very lyrical. Jerry is about the only composer I can think of who continued to surprise even after his "prime".

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes! I'm a big fan of that score. There is a lot of great unrealead music in there. What I really want is the softer, orchestral version of the main theme. It plays a few times in the film and on the cd it segues into that crappy song.

Can you tell us any more about the unreleased music besides the "softer, orchestral version of the main theme" which certainly sounds intriguing to me! (Superman1707, solium, feel free to chime in too.) The album didn't have enough of the main theme on it, so if the complete score has more I say release it! Maybe Jerry pulled a Star Trek: Nemesis on this one and made the album half boring "warmed-over" suspense music even though there was much superior recorded material to release...

What you said. Outside of that opening cue, and a few other scattered around, almost all the action material was warmed-over stuff he'd done better in the past. Sad, given the circumstances.

Well, Shaun, all I can say is that at least his last score, Looney Tunes: Back in Action, was fresh and exciting and he didn't go out with something mediocre!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I unfortunately didn't get into this score until recently, and a viewing of it on Netflix confirmed that there is quite a bit of excellent music unreleased.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

Yeah, there is some decent unreleased music, as I recall (although I don't think any of them use that gorgeous main theme).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 9:00 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

It seems your opinion of this score is a rare one. Most people dismiss it as boring and uninspired aside from the opening vocal piece which is barely reprised throughout the score proper. That said, I've never seen the film myself so I'm itching to know what unreleased music stood out to you as worthy of being on an expanded release. Lord knows I'll buy virtually any expanded/complete Goldsmith...

Yavar


Well, I did the same - dismissing it. Until I heard it again and was surprised. But I also noticed that not many people are interested in it... sad I think.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2013 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   JDC   (Member)

The Sum of all Fears is a terrific score. I'd say there is a good twenty minutes of music that didn't make it onto the CD. The Morgan Freeman character first meeting Jack Ryan (Affleck) and the attack on the aircraft carrier are my "missing" highlights. A very underrated score in my opinion.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2013 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Diederik   (Member)

This is a score I would really like to have. I love Jerry Goldsmith's last scores and it would have been interesting to hear how his musical style would have evolved over the years. Sadly we will never be able to hear that, but his last few scores did hint at a (slight) stylistic change.

Now, I have never owned the album to The Sum of All Fears, nor can I remember too much of the music (or the film itself for that matter) from watching the film years ago. Any release of this score would be welcome and I would gladly add it to my collection and most probably enjoy it a lot.

Marlene: your description of Goldsmith's music in his last few years is quite apt. I myself could never really point to what it was that made me love these scores, but you make some good observations.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2013 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

I feel the film is underrated as well. Yes, Affleck is the weak link, but he's surrounded by superb character actors at the top of their game. And it's a shame that Liev Schreiber didn't get to reprise his role as John Clark in WITHOUT REMORSE, which sadly never happened.

I do wonder if Paramount might do a push for expanded scores from the Jack Ryan franchise, as they seem to have done with the Trek movie scores. It probably wouldn't actually have much of an effect on soundtrack expansions, but it is interesting that Paramount are reportedly trying to make a real go of setting up a multi-strand franchise from the Tom Clancy books. We all know Chris Pine is playing Ryan in Ken Branagh's upcoming entry in the series, but they are supposedly also trying again with WITHOUT REMORSE. Apparently Kevin Costner's deal to play William Harper, who recruits and serves as a mentor for Ryan in the new film, also includes options to play the character in WITHOUT REMORSE and a potential stand-alone film for the William Harper character, according to this story from Aug 2012: http://collider.com/tom-hardy-without-remorse-jack-ryan-kevin-costner/

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2013 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I feel the film is underrated as well. Yes, Affleck is the weak link, but he's surrounded by superb character actors at the top of their game. And it's a shame that Liev Schreiber didn't get to reprise his role as John Clark in WITHOUT REMORSE, which sadly never happened.
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Schreiber is fantastic in most things he's in. I cannot understand why he's still on the B (or even C) team.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2013 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

Schreiber is fantastic in most things he's in. I cannot understand why he's still on the B (or even C) team.

Me neither. Have you seen "Everything is illuminated"? Directed by him, terrific movie.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


I do wonder if Paramount might do a push for expanded scores from the Jack Ryan franchise, as they seem to have done with the Trek movie scores.


I have my doubts but it would be AWESOME!

Before this thread I'd have almost assumed that Goldsmith's was the weakest of the four Jack Ryan scores, aside from the amazing opening vocal piece. I'd have rated them thusly:
The Hunt for Red October (Poledouris) >>

Clear and Present Danger (Horner) >>>>>




Patriot Games (Horner) >

The Sum of All Fears (Goldsmith)

If they were all expanded I might have to revise my rankings...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2013 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

One thing that'd be nice about a new edition of this from one of our beloved specialty labels:

They could eliminate that crossfade from Goldsmith's final cue into the annoying pop song at the end!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2013 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

One thing that'd be nice about a new edition of this from one of our beloved specialty labels:

They could eliminate that crossfade from Goldsmith's final cue into the annoying pop song at the end!


EXACTLY! I hate score cues that crossfade into inferior pop songs. mad

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2013 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I wouldn't mind having an expanded/complete release for this score. I'm surprised Intrada or LLL hasn't done this one yet.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Simon Underwood   (Member)

One thing that'd be nice about a new edition of this from one of our beloved specialty labels:

They could eliminate that crossfade from Goldsmith's final cue into the annoying pop song at the end!


Yeah, that shoehorned in song! Which crappy guys did they bring in to write that?!? Goldsmith and Williams? Never heard of 'em! Stupid pop hacks ruining Jerry Goldsmith's score!

 
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