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Sep 13, 2012 - 9:34 AM
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Looking at the 'most surprising composer assignment' thread got me thinking about some of the quirkier choices that have been announced only to get inevitably replaced. This is not so much about whether you prefer the original score to the replacement (in the few cases when we're lucky enough to hear both), just about particular scores you would loved to have seen come to fruition. It's about the replaced scores more than the actual replacements, but feel free to discuss those as well!
The score that got me thinking about this was Thomas Newman being replaced on Disney's upcoming Wreck-It-Ralph. I thought he was a really unusual choice and I've loved his stuff for children's films so far (Wall-E and Lemony Snicket in particular) and this looked like it could be his most different score yet (trailer looks like a lot of action). The replacement is Henry Jackman, who I find 'fine' but hasn't totally won me over yet, he seems to get better with each animated film he does though so I'm looking forward to it.
Carter Burwell has also been replaced a couple of times, recently on Gangster Squad (replaced by Steve Jablonsky), but what I'd most like to hear is his score for Serenity, a film unlike anything he's ever done. He was of course replaced by David Newman, who contributed very lively, enjoyable music.
One of the ones I'd most like to hear is Philip Glass' music for the (pretty bad) hilary Swank horror film The Reaping. I love Glass' more strident, dark music (notes on a scandal, much of Mishima etc), and this would have been a perfect showcase. He was replaced by genre veteran John Frizzell, who did an okay job but he isn't one of my favourites.
Finally I'll mention Marco Beltrami's score for TMNT. I quite enjoyed Klaus Badelt's replacement score (I'd buy it if it ever got released), but this was a chance to see Beltrami go in a completely different direction, to this day he's never done anything like a children's animated movie.
so which composer getting 'fired' disappointed you guys the most?
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Easy!
David Arnold for John Barry on 'Tomorrow Never Dies'
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Every composer ever replaced by an RCP drone.
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Easy!
David Arnold for John Barry on 'Tomorrow Never Dies'
Stop being naughty.
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Looking at the 'most surprising composer assignment' thread got me thinking about some of the quirkier choices that have been announced only to get inevitably replaced. This is not so much about whether you prefer the original score to the replacement (in the few cases when we're lucky enough to hear both), just about particular scores you would loved to have seen come to fruition. It's about the replaced scores more than the actual replacements, but feel free to discuss those as well!
The score that got me thinking about this was Thomas Newman being replaced on Disney's upcoming Wreck-It-Ralph. I thought he was a really unusual choice and I've loved his stuff for children's films so far (Wall-E and Lemony Snicket in particular) and this looked like it could be his most different score yet (trailer looks like a lot of action). The replacement is Henry Jackman, who I find 'fine' but hasn't totally won me over yet, he seems to get better with each animated film he does though so I'm looking forward to it.
Carter Burwell has also been replaced a couple of times, recently on Gangster Squad (replaced by Steve Jablonsky), but what I'd most like to hear is his score for Serenity, a film unlike anything he's ever done. He was of course replaced by David Newman, who contributed very lively, enjoyable music.
One of the ones I'd most like to hear is Philip Glass' music for the (pretty bad) hilary Swank horror film The Reaping. I love Glass' more strident, dark music (notes on a scandal, much of Mishima etc), and this would have been a perfect showcase. He was replaced by genre veteran John Frizzell, who did an okay job but he isn't one of my favourites.
Finally I'll mention Marco Beltrami's score for TMNT. I quite enjoyed Klaus Badelt's replacement score (I'd buy it if it ever got released), but this was a chance to see Beltrami go in a completely different direction, to this day he's never done anything like a children's animated movie.
so which composer getting 'fired' disappointed you guys the most?
Ennio Morricone was replaced by Michael Kamen on "What Dreams May Come". Kamen reused old material for this film and, from what I've heard, did the job in one week. Could Morricone's score have been that bad?
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Easy!
David Arnold for John Barry on 'Tomorrow Never Dies'
John Barry was never hired to score "Tomorrow Never Dies", so how can he be considered "replaced"?
True, he wasn't hired but he was offered it,
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While I enjoy Donaggio's score for CARRIE, I would have really liked to hear what Herrmann could have put together for the film, had he not passed away.
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No contest here, really. When LEGEND came out in the US with Tangerine Dream's bad replacement for Jerry Goldsmith's masterpiece, it was a low point in movie score history.
I agree. Mr. Goldsmith's score to Legend was great. I have not seen the movie because of this change.
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There's SO MANY, I'd have to pick a cut off date. I think 1970 and onward will do, but I'll still have to limit myself so I don't make a post that's essentially a pocket dictionary (many films listed had other composers involved; I didn't list them all):
"Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
Goldsmith to Rosenman
Goldsmith said he had already, before Frank Schaffner and FOX were very insistant he score "Patton", started working on the score. I don't know about you folks, but if he didn't record it, I want every single cue he wrote, recorded.
"Gulliver's Travels"
Barry to Michel Legrand
Barry and Don Black had written a lot of material; I wonder if any was recorded.
"Twilight's Last Gleaming"
Frank DeVol to Goldsmith
That would be interesting.
"Hurricane"
Conti to Rota
I never solved what happened there. A "Romantic adventure film" -- sounds like it could have been a heck of a promising Conti score.
"Ike: The War Years"
Rosenman to Fred Karlin
I assume he recorded his music to the mini series before they cut it down from six hours to four.
"Heartbeeps"
Ira Newborn to Williams
Newborn and this film? Makes you wonder.
"Fletch"
Tom Scott to Harold Faltermeyer
I've read Scott did a noir-flavored score, but was never able to get anything else on it.
"Dick Tracy"
Silvestri to Elfman
Last year I found an interview where he said he was scoring the film. He said, also, he had not had any scores rejected yet. So, if he recorded this, it would be his first. Early 1990's Silvestri? I'll take some of that!
"Total Recall"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
I still want that to have happened.
"Falling Down"
Revell to J.N.H.
That was a really good movie. And while J.N.H.'s score didn't grab me right away, I did later appreciate many of the cues and would buy a CD. This seems like the kind of film that could have inspired an interesting score from Revell.
"Hocus Pocus"
Horner to Debney
The instrumental of "Sara's Theme", that Horner did, it wonderful, prime Horner to me. I hope to goodness that he recorded more, or at least some kind of demos to lay over the film for studio viewing.
"Swing Kids"
Delerue to Horner
Delerue had already started writing the score before he died. Disques CineMusique likes to re-record Delerue music from time-to-time, then how about they record the music he wrote for this? I want to hear that!
"Operation Dumbo Drop"
Basil Poledouris to David Newman
I'm sure all of our minds are wandering on this...
"Twelve Monkeys"
Kamen to Paul Buckmaster
"The Craft"
Thomas Newman to Revell
"Executive Decision"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
"Mulan"
Portman to Goldsmith
As I recall, they only got different songs writers, too. I wonder if there are recorded songs rejected from the film, and if Portman did that musical backing.
"Running Free"
Elfman to Nicola Piovani
"The Iron Giant"
Elfman to Kamen
Prime Elfman scoring period, to me.
"Plunkett & MaClaine"
Trevor Jones to Craig Armstrong
"The Adventures of Rockey & Bullwinkle"
Kamen to Mark Mothersbaugh
"Whispers: An Elephant's Tale"
Jay Chattaway to Trevor Rabin
I wonder, had he scored that, would he have gotten more work and not been relegated to Star Trek spin-off series.
"Along Came a Spider"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
"The Musketeer"
Goldsmith to Broughton to Debney to an un-named composer, to finally David Arnold.
"Reign of Fire"
Mark Snow to Shearmur
I imagine something along the lines, but bigger, of his cue "Corn Copters" from the first X-Files film.
"The Jungle Book 2"
Christopher Tyng to Joel McNeely
FSM had reported this. For those who know his scoring to "Futurama", it makes you wonder.
"The Young Black Stallion"
Poledouris to William Ross
Would have been his last score before dying.
"Exorcist: The Beginning"
Kamen to Rabin
That's a hell of a step down. Anyway, a dark Kamen score? One can only speculate.
"Finding Neverland"
Barry to Kaczmarek
That would be been dreamy orchestral goodness! Barry had already started writing it. I wonder if he recorded.
"Flightplan"
Portman to Horner
I was really looking forward to this. Then Horner took over. I was looking forward to the Horner, and when I read there would be five pianos, I thought we might be in for a treat. I can't even recall a lick of the score.
"Partrition"
Glass to Brian Tyler
I always look forward to a new Glass score.
"ANONYMA -- EINE FRAU IN BERLIN"
Jan P. Kackzamarek to Zbigniew Preisner
"Dragon Hunters"
Talgorn to Badelt
"Blackwater Transit"
Anne Dudley to a music group
"Resistance"
Portman to Mark Bradshaw
"The Hunger Games"
Elfman to J.N.H.
As already mentioned by another member. I remember fidning somebody say that Steve Bartek had said a month before it was due for recording, Elfman had still not handed him anything. Based on what I've read in Elfman interviews in the passed, he does demos, so I'll assume he demoed pretty much the entire film, but it wasn't working out. Now, Bartek could have gotten the papers and there could have been a rush and gotten to the scoring stage in time.
"Stoker"
Glass to Clint Mansell
First "The Reaping", and now this? Is it too much to ask I get to hear a dark Glass score to a dark movie?
WHEW!!!
And I didn't even make it to actually recorded scores which were replaced.
More details and other films/TV series, with missing composers not listed in the films I mentioned above:
http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/supposedlyrejected.html
(EDIT: a few minutes after posting this, the service provider decided to go down; 150m likes to do that every four or five months without warning, even taking down their own site)
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Sep 13, 2012 - 1:21 PM
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adilson
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There's SO MANY, I'd have to pick a cut off date. I think 1970 and onward will do, but I'll still have to limit myself so I don't make a post that's essentially a pocket dictionary (many films listed had other composers involved; I didn't list them all):
"Beneath the Planet of the Apes"
Goldsmith to Rosenman
Goldsmith said he had already, before Frank Schaffner and FOX were very insistant he score "Patton", started working on the score. I don't know about you folks, but if he didn't record it, I want every single cue he wrote, recorded.
"Gulliver's Travels"
Barry to Michel Legrand
Barry and Don Black had written a lot of material; I wonder if any was recorded.
"Twilight's Last Gleaming"
Frank DeVol to Goldsmith
That would be interesting.
"Hurricane"
Conti to Rota
I never solved what happened there. A "Romantic adventure film" -- sounds like it could have been a heck of a promising Conti score.
"Ike: The War Years"
Rosenman to Fred Karlin
I assume he recorded his music to the mini series before they cut it down from six hours to four.
"Heartbeeps"
Ira Newborn to Williams
Newborn and this film? Makes you wonder.
"Fletch"
Tom Scott to Harold Faltermeyer
I've read Scott did a noir-flavored score, but was never able to get anything else on it.
"Dick Tracy"
Silvestri to Elfman
Last year I found an interview where he said he was scoring the film. He said, also, he had not had any scores rejected yet. So, if he recorded this, it would be his first. Early 1990's Silvestri? I'll take some of that!
"Total Recall"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
I still want that to have happened.
"Falling Down"
Revell to J.N.H.
That was a really good movie. And while J.N.H.'s score didn't grab me right away, I did later appreciate many of the cues and would buy a CD. This seems like the kind of film that could have inspired an interesting score from Revell.
"Hocus Pocus"
Horner to Debney
The instrumental of "Sara's Theme", that Horner did, it wonderful, prime Horner to me. I hope to goodness that he recorded more, or at least some kind of demos to lay over the film for studio viewing.
"Swing Kids"
Delerue to Horner
Delerue had already started writing the score before he died. Disques CineMusique likes to re-record Delerue music from time-to-time, then how about they record the music he wrote for this? I want to hear that!
"Operation Dumbo Drop"
Basil Poledouris to David Newman
I'm sure all of our minds are wandering on this...
"Twelve Monkeys"
Kamen to Paul Buckmaster
"The Craft"
Thomas Newman to Revell
"Executive Decision"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
"Mulan"
Portman to Goldsmith
As I recall, they only got different songs writers, too. I wonder if there are recorded songs rejected from the film, and if Portman did that musical backing.
"Running Free"
Elfman to Nicola Piovani
"The Iron Giant"
Elfman to Kamen
Prime Elfman scoring period, to me.
"Plunkett & MaClaine"
Trevor Jones to Craig Armstrong
"The Adventures of Rockey & Bullwinkle"
Kamen to Mark Mothersbaugh
"Whispers: An Elephant's Tale"
Jay Chattaway to Trevor Rabin
I wonder, had he scored that, would he have gotten more work and not been relegated to Star Trek spin-off series.
"Along Came a Spider"
Poledouris to Goldsmith
"The Musketeer"
Goldsmith to Broughton to Debney to an un-named composer, to finally David Arnold.
"Reign of Fire"
Mark Snow to Shearmur
I imagine something along the lines, but bigger, of his cue "Corn Copters" from the first X-Files film.
"The Jungle Book 2"
Christopher Tyng to Joel McNeely
FSM had reported this. For those who know his scoring to "Futurama", it makes you wonder.
"The Young Black Stallion"
Poledouris to William Ross
Would have been his last score before dying.
"Exorcist: The Beginning"
Kamen to Rabin
That's a hell of a step down. Anyway, a dark Kamen score? One can only speculate.
"Finding Neverland"
Barry to Kaczmarek
That would be been dreamy orchestral goodness! Barry had already started writing it. I wonder if he recorded.
"Flightplan"
Portman to Horner
I was really looking forward to this. Then Horner took over. I was looking forward to the Horner, and when I read there would be five pianos, I thought we might be in for a treat. I can't even recall a lick of the score.
"Partrition"
Glass to Brian Tyler
I always look forward to a new Glass score.
"ANONYMA -- EINE FRAU IN BERLIN"
Jan P. Kackzamarek to Zbigniew Preisner
"Dragon Hunters"
Talgorn to Badelt
"Blackwater Transit"
Anne Dudley to a music group
"Resistance"
Portman to Mark Bradshaw
"The Hunger Games"
Elfman to J.N.H.
As already mentioned by another member. I remember fidning somebody say that Steve Bartek had said a month before it was due for recording, Elfman had still not handed him anything. Based on what I've read in Elfman interviews in the passed, he does demos, so I'll assume he demoed pretty much the entire film, but it wasn't working out. Now, Bartek could have gotten the papers and there could have been a rush and gotten to the scoring stage in time.
"Stoker"
Glass to Clint Mansell
First "The Reaping", and now this? Is it too much to ask I get to hear a dark Glass score to a dark movie?
WHEW!!!
And I didn't even make it to actually recorded scores which were replaced.
More details and other films/TV series, with missing composers not listed in the films I mentioned above:
http://rejectedfilmscores.150m.com/supposedlyrejected.html
(EDIT: a few minutes after posting this, the service provider decided to go down; 150m likes to do that every four or five months without warning, even taking down their own site)
It's difficult to suppose what another composer could do, but I do not believe that:
1) Bernard Herrmann could compose a better score than Pino Donaggio dis for Carrie, it was very inspired work.
2) I love Hurricane by Nino Rota and I don't believe too that Bill Conti could do something better
3) and for end I have the same opnion about John Barry to replace Jan A.P. Kaczmarek on Finding Neverland
For me the real most disappointing was the wonderful score of Gabriel Yared to be replaced by the usual (now) and uninspired James Horner's score
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