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 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   losher22   (Member)

Alright, forget the fact that I adore both of the films (and know I'm very far from being alone there). The FSM reissues of both films' scores re-engaged my extreme passion for each of James Horner's masterful musical works. But still, even to this day, after listening to them both literally countless times, I simply cannot decide which one I like better.

Who else struggles here? Or if you don't, why? That's it: I'm taking to a vote.

STAR TREK II: THE WRATH OF KHAN?

or...

STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK?

I'll keep score...sound off my friends!

Edit: Scoreboard as of 08/17/12, 7:30 PM United States CST:

The Search for Spock: 16
The Wrath of Khan: 9
Both/Undecided: 4

Most Thought-Provoking Votes:

zooba
Landstander
Redokt64
solium
bdm
Other Tallguy
Penelope Pineapple

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Both. Star Trek III, like Shore's The Two Towers, is an extension of Star Trek II. Star Trek II is the first half of a larger score while Star Trek III concludes it.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   comouelletter   (Member)

I gotta say. Star Trek III. It has more of the lush emotion and drama. But it also has the nice action set pieces that really soar. A Horner masterpiece.

I love them both, but I play III more often.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 6:32 PM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

I agree with Erik about it being like one longer score for a continuing story. Some people may prefer one section of the story either part II or III musically. I like how each works for each part of the story as I like all of the 6 STAR WARS Scores in that continuing set of stories. Some may say that EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is their favorite or think it's best and that's cool.

I can't pick one being better in the case of Horner's STAR TREKS. I'll just say both scores are best for the film's they were written for. KHAN'S music worked wonderfully and perfectly for WRATH OF KHAN and does not belong in SEARCH FOR SPOCK.

In closing, I think Horner did an awesome job in scoring the 2 STAR TREK'S. Would be interesting to hear what he may have come up with for THE VOYAGE HOME if he was onboard for that one.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   johnmullin   (Member)

I've gotta go with III as well. Horner really expanded on the musical world from II and got to write a number of standout cues. Love II as well, but honestly I listen to III way more.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

A hard choice, as there are elements of both scores that I love, and elements that I tend to skip over in a listening - certainly II has an edge in that so much of III is built from those initial building-blocks (to say nothing of the identical end credit piece), but I've got to say that I listen to "Star Trek III" far more often, as well. Horner's music for the Katra sequence is perhaps my favorite of any pieces he wrote for the two movies (and yes, I know it owes a debt to "Brainstorm"). I'll sometimes gloss over the larger Klingon pieces when I listen, but since Spock's theme was my favorite of the themes Horner developed in "Khan," it's nice to hear it run through the wringer in number three - I find the "Mind Meld" music rather evocative, as well.

"Star Trek II" however, has "Khan's Pets," which is one of the most psychologically astute cues I think Horner ever wrote - just marvelous - and now I feel somewhat torn. Still though, I think I have to say that "The Search for Spock" is my preferred of the two scores.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Landstander   (Member)

I gotta say. Star Trek III. It has more of the lush emotion and drama. But it also has the nice action set pieces that really soar. A Horner masterpiece.

I love them both, but I play III more often.

-Rick O.



This. I would say STIII is brooding. I like brooding. The beginning of "Klingons" is a good example as well as the entirety of "Sunset on Genesis" which is an absolute stand-out track in my opinion. Yet it also has the epic set pieces (e.g. "Genesis Destroyed"). Plus the score uses organs. I vote III.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   losher22   (Member)

Very interesting, thanks for the posts everyone! I really appreciate the feedback - all of them make me ponder each score all the more and wonderfully, yet maddeningly, I still can't decide. Back to listening to them again... smile

Here's the current score:

The Wrath of Khan: 0
The Search for Spock: 4
Both/Undecided: 2

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Robert0320   (Member)

For me its Trek II hands down.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 8:32 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Another one for III...it is, for me, a more well-rounded score that tells a wider story. II is a fantastic score, don't get me wrong, but III pips it at the post.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   Redokt64   (Member)

Oh dear.

TWOK... Early work by James Horner... showing off his muscular chops for action. Some very effective subdued moments scattered throughout the score. The Battle in the Mutara Nebula is just one of the many highlights.

TSFS... One year after one of his busiest (Brainstorm, Uncommon Valor, Krull, Something Wicked This Way Comes and a couple of more)... A deep maturity hit his continuing saga for Trek. Established themes from TWOK became even more powerful. More emotional. Case in point the way the film opens with a recap of the end of TWOK. The main theme is more majestic and powerful. Even lush.

Difficult call. Two parts that are superb. But, for sheer emotional impact. The Search For Spock. Why? My reaction to the film and it's score back in 1984 when the film opened. It was Trek. It was fun. There was action. But this part of the story was more powerful... giving our beloved characters a meaty storyline to bring Spock back.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I gotta go for III. It's my favorite Trek film and the most emotionally powerful score of the two. Also, when both were expanded on album, many of II's cues were sharp, dissonant, smashing an anvil and bucket kind of cues. The original LP was a seafaring adventure; the complete score has rough patches of horror that, while effective. make for difficult listening. III's additional cues were mostly warm, lush, sweeping emotional pieces that really fleshed out the musical story.

Love 'em both, but III is my top pick.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 9:42 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

ST II over shadows ST III by a mile IMO. ST II's themes are more realized, fuller and original. (BBTS notwithstanding) ST III is a derivative of ST II. (For comparison Empire Strikes Back is not a derivative of Star Wars)

Stealing the Enterprise takes passages right out of Genesis Countdown. Its awkward. ST II's action cues are spectacular while the action cues in III are disjointed and less thematic. II soars while III meanders. That said I enjoy ST III, especially the complete version.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

They both work appropriately for their respective films, which have vastly different emotional tones.

Sorry, I tend to watch the films and hear the scores in context. embarrassment

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2012 - 10:14 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I think of III as a continuation of II, so although I acknowledge differences between the two scores and admire different things about each, to me they're two chapters of the same musical story.

--Just as, in a similar way, to me, this thread is a continuation of:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=69642&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2012 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I'll repeat my words from that thread: "NO. The Khan material easily beats the Klingon tracks and Trek III is more a continuation of the same sound but for a weaker entry."

So Trek II for me smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2012 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   losher22   (Member)

Great posts by all, keep 'em coming! smile

Here's the score:

The Search for Spock: 7
Both/Undecided: 4
The Wrath of Khan: 3

Most Thought-Provoking Votes:

zooba
Landstander
Redokt64
solium

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2012 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   losher22   (Member)

I think of III as a continuation of II, so although I acknowledge differences between the two scores and admire different things about each, to me they're two chapters of the same musical story.

--Just as, in a similar way, to me, this thread is a continuation of:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=69642&forumID=1&archive=0


Oops. My apologies to you, sir, as well as others who had posted in that alternate thread. I remember its existence now, and I guess this thread is identical in many ways. However, I'm having too much fun to want to close it down! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2012 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I have vague memories of both movies, but I'm not a Trek fan, so I've never revisited them after I saw them in the early 90's, I think.

The soundtracks, however (the ol' GNP albums), I've had for many years and listened to many times. If you had asked me a few years ago, I would have said ST2 because I was more into bombast and action-adventure at the time. Now, however, I'm more into calmer material, and while ST3 has its share of action too, it's more 'spiritual' and romantic, if you will.

So my vote goes to STAR TREK III (the GNP album).

 
 Posted:   Aug 17, 2012 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

We've already done this one, if you check the archive.

But for me ... III ... just slightly.

Cheers

 
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