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 Posted:   Jun 24, 2002 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

I love this score..I've been digging through some of my older LP collection and listening to this score again in it's entirety just makes me realize again what a true master Alfred Newman really was..This score is subtle, yet powerful, and it is a joy to listen to..It is a side of Newman that is quieter, but no less dramatic..I'm glad I picked up this LP all those years ago! I guess me and John Prytz are the only guys on here spinning the old vinyl from time to time..This score is a real gem..I can't praise this score enough..Alfred Newman could do it all..I can't stop listening to this score..In an age where some of us are dissapointed in film music, and in it's quality,we always have the masters like Newman to help us realize why we fell in love with filmmusic in the first place..

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2002 - 5:35 PM   
 By:   Donna   (Member)

Speaking of LP's, can anyone tell me where I can get a new drive belt for my (circa 1980) turntable?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2002 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

I'd try a place in Hollywood called Ametron -- American Electonic Supply Co., who carry every belt known to science, man, boy, and masochist. Their phone number is (323) 464-1144, or (323) 462-1200.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 24, 2002 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Ahh, does anyone else have a comment on the score??!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

A very fine score indeed, although as I recall the LP was a b**t (forgive me for uttering the word) and left something to be desired insofar as sound quality was concerned. Was there another (legitimate) release of that one, or are we talking about the same LP (the one with the "minimalist" packaging)?

 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 1:43 AM   
 By:   moviejoemovies   (Member)

I guess me and John Prytz are the only guys on here spinning the old vinyl from time to time


You can add me to that list. As a seller of all my old vinyl on Ebay, I've been recording the LPs before I ship them off and have re-discovered all the great film music that's still not on CD. So much so that I've ended up actually purchasing some old vinyl soundtracks on Ebay and other internet outlets. Unfortunately, I dont have "Keys of the Kingdom" but I can appreciate the joy you're feeling from Alfred Newman's Music. I remember the film and the beautiful score. From that period, I acquired in the last year a CD (Probably b--t) of the scores from "The Black Swan" and "Son of Fury". Very nice music.

NP Mancini's "The Molly Maguires"

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Dana,
Yes we are, and yes the sound is not great, but, theres something about the sound of an old recording..The film was from 1944, and it is a wonderful performance by Gregory Peck, and Newman outdid himself..

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 2:15 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Moviejoe,
Yes, there is still a ton of music on lp's that is still (and may never be) available on vinyl..And, it's just plain fun to crank up the old turntable every now and again..Most of my classic core collection, the CLASSICS, all my "Golden Age" material is still on vinyl..Much of it will NEVER see the light of day on a cd release...I won't let these albums go to waste..I plan to listen again, and again... The sound quality on the albums varies from very good, to very poor, but that's part of the "nostalgic" fun for me...When I was 15, and just "into" collecting, a cd player was something out of Space 1999!!!(LOL) Seriously, this is a serious topic for collectors like myself who built huge libraries on vinyl, only to have technology make their investments as good as ashes in a box.. I can never replace (as far as my meat classic collection of about 500 lp's on vinyl) those titles..."Keys of the Kingdom" by Newman is one of many...A great score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 3:42 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

I was considering only yesterday the idea that there are approximately 20 or so sublime scores from Newman that are originals. Of course, I want every note he ever recorded, but these are what I refer to as the "master" scores. KEYS OF THE KINGDOM would certainly be among them, a truly fine and noble work. I love the cue of "The Hill of the Beautiful Green Jade," which reappears in LOVE IS A MANY SPLENDORED THING. The KEYS score adds a mult-dimensional element of faith to the film; the music's role is the, in effect, "key" that holds the whole film together; is the embodiment of Father Chisholm's faith, the reason for the whole story in the first place. Without this integral score, the whole picture would be rambling and sanctimonious, of which it has been accused anyway by many critics over the years. But I believe this is a major example of a Newman score literally uplifting, and ultimately carrying, a whole film. Incredible. That could never happen today.

An extended recording was released on a 2-CD set with the tracks to AIRPORT, but I'm not supposed to say what kind of a release it was. So I shall remain coy...

Just got WILSON today; great work by Newman and Darby. Now I await DRAGONWYCK, another of what I refer to as Newman's "core" scores. DRAGONWYCK is fine!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 3:55 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

John,
You spelled it out perfectly..The score literally lifted the film..You see it in the film, with the visuals, and it is heard away from the visuals on this album..The score just resonates, and "lifts" for some reason..You hit it on the head..This was a giant at work..I hope this score finally finds it's way to disc..I look forward to purchasing WILSON very much..Newman just fascinates me...He always has.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   John Prytz   (Member)

I do have Alfred Newman's "The Keys of the Kingdom", on CD, on the Tsunami label (BestNr: TSU0134), which, although I haven't actually played in a fair while, recall as being up there with the Golden Age great scores. But then again I tend to have a bias towards the Golden Age in general and Alfred Newman in particular. Anything newly released by him is as close to being an automatic "must have" as makes no odds.

And yes, I still have to spin the vinyl LPs now and again when the score is lacking a CD version (although once I upgrade to CD the LP is given to charity [as will soon be the case with my LP of "On the Beach" by Gold once the FSM CD arrives]). However, I have to admit to becoming lazy(er) in my dottering old age, finding it a Royal Pain Inna "A" to have to jump up and flip sides while playing LPs every 20+ minutes or so. Long running CDs and 5 CD players are not exactly cures for a couch-potato existence.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   estgrey   (Member)

I was considering only yesterday the idea that there are approximately 20 or so sublime scores from Newman that are originals.

Please list your 20. You have already mentioned "Keys to the Kingdom" and "Dragonwyck". I will presume that "Captain from Castille", "How the West Were Won" and "Down to the Sea in Ships" are also on your list. Just curiosity between Newman fans.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   JEC   (Member)

I'd love to have the original tracks to AIRPORT, especially the emergency landing cue.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

"AIRPORT" was a pretty fabulous way for the master to end his outstanding career...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)



Please list your 20. You have already mentioned "Keys to the Kingdom" and "Dragonwyck". I will presume that "Captain from Castille", "How the West Were Won" and "Down to the Sea in Ships" are also on your list. Just curiosity between Newman fans.


I'll do a thread on it. J.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 11:07 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Alfred Newman's "The Keys of the Kingdom", may be a title SAE might wish to handle in its new series of FOX Classics titles. I would certainly look foward to a legit, deluxe release. Although KEYS has been available as poor LP and CD boots in the past, which may make SAE reluctant.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2002 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   Originalthinkr@aol.com   (Member)

Just find the keys that unlock the doors to the Fox kingdom...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2002 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Yeah, just like "Villiam Haze " in "Midnight Express!!"

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2002 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   gsteven   (Member)

This is one of the Newman scores I keep revisiting, first suffering through the aforementioned illicit LP (truly dismal sound) and later, the only slightly improved Tsunami CD (lengthy, at nearly 80 minutes, but missing the finale). The brief suite available on MAN OF GALILEE is a nice start, including the powerful opening theme with its dramatic chord progressions, leading into Francis' theme (nostalgic in feeling, with a melodic line that is always searching for resolution, reaching higher and higher). But so much is missing: the massed string passage that scores the scene of Francis' parents' death; the moving music for the news of Nora's fate and Francis' reaction; the evocative passages for the Chinese mise-en-scene; striking music for the operation (akin to the music in THE SNAKE PIT) and bombardment scenes; telling music for Francis' confrontations with Mother Veronica (if I recall the character's name correctly)...I fear I digress. What's needed is a complete, authorized recording. According to the inventory for the Newman collection at UCLA (included in John Koegel's "Alfred Newman and Wuthering Heights" -1975?) the score exists on 78 discs (source of the pirate versions, I imagine). Speaking of WUTHERING HEIGHTS...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2002 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

I can only hope the future brings a release, a decent release, hopefully as complete as possible, and with good sound...

 
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