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 Posted:   Aug 6, 2012 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I've been listening to this non-stop for a week. As predicted, a superb release! Works like gangbusters in the film, couldn't possibly fail on CD. Not a note wasted.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2012 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   Marlene   (Member)

This truly is an outstanding release. Now I can finally appreciate what an intelligent score this is. Now in its complete form for me it ranks among Goldsmith's best efforts. I don´t know if Goldsmith liked the assignment... but it sure sounds that way. As if he were having fun with it...

But I´ve got a question: does anyone know what the term "Remix" in the liner notes mean? Some tracks have been remixed (or something like that) according to the information given in the booklet whereas others (most of them) weren´t. Is the music remixed or not? The release information mentionend that it was produced from the 48-track session masters... that´s why I´m asking. I don´t want to criticise the sound quality (it´s gorgeous!), I´m just curious.

 
 Posted:   Aug 10, 2012 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   John W   (Member)

Just got this in the mail & listening to it now.

*tear*

Thank you, Intrada. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

big grin

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2012 - 10:45 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I don't have the musical vocabulary for this but I'll muddle...

Does anyone else think the Shadow Theme is kind of the "dark version" of Voyager? I remember when Voyager came out that I noticed that the structure of the main theme and then the bridge of both seem to follow the same rhythms only the Shadow goes down where Voyager goes up. Am I crazy? Is there anything to this idea?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 11:08 PM   
 By:   nicknackaddams   (Member)

This truly is an outstanding release. Now I can finally appreciate what an intelligent score this is. Now in its complete form for me it ranks among Goldsmith's best efforts. I don´t know if Goldsmith liked the assignment... but it sure sounds that way. As if he were having fun with it...

My thoughts exactly.
The track "What I Know" is an incredible treat. I recognize this music as the scene where Baldwin & Miller have a brief conversation in Lamont Cranston's beautifully photographed living room before segueing into the Shadow's nightmare. But the track actually sounds like 2 different versions back to back. I think the film uses pieces of both versions. Parts of both sound familiar, and yet completely different & "new" to these ears.
I also love both versions of "The Mirrors"...Hell - I love the whole thing!

To semi-quote a line from "Amadeus"...One hears such sounds, and what can one say but - GOLDSMITH!

Thanks, Intrada.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2012 - 11:33 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

Does anyone else think the Shadow Theme is kind of the "dark version" of Voyager? I remember when Voyager came out that I noticed that the structure of the main theme and then the bridge of both seem to follow the same rhythms only the Shadow goes down where Voyager goes up. Am I crazy? Is there anything to this idea?


I honestly don't quite hear it yet myself, though I'm happy to take your word for it . . .

. . . if you'll agree with me that Jerry's "The Mummy" is just his "Supergirl" upside-down.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2014 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

New 'collector's edition' blu-ray out with a better transfer than the previous one:

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Shadow-Blu-ray/74769/#Review

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Nyborg   (Member)

i love this album but i can only listen to it on headphones.
when i play it through speakers the quiet parts are so quiet i have to raise the volume higher than usual to hear the detail, which then makes the loud parts obnoxiously loud and i have to turn it down again.
this is the only album i own where this occurs.
on headphones there is no issue of course, and i love the sound quality, but is this a case of dynamic range taken a notch too far? or am i not understanding something?

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   WagnerAlmighty   (Member)

i love this album but i can only listen to it on headphones.
when i play it through speakers the quiet parts are so quiet i have to raise the volume higher than usual to hear the detail, which then makes the loud parts obnoxiously loud and i have to turn it down again.
this is the only album i own where this occurs.
on headphones there is no issue of course, and i love the sound quality, but is this a case of dynamic range taken a notch too far? or am i not understanding something?


No, I would agree that this is an example of an album that didn't have the awful hypercompression that is still the rage in 21st century engineering. There could have been a bit more levelling out....but I'm wondering while I'm writing this if this is going to sound weird coming from a composer. Composers usually want as much dynamic range as possible.

Aw heck, it's a great cd from Intrada. I do most of my listening on Sennheisers anyway.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   JGouse0498   (Member)

I've noticed the same thing with regards to the listening difficulties due to such drastic differences in volume. Same as I've encountered with Intrada's expanded ROCKETEER release. While it sadly means I can't really listen to the music in my car, I simply accept that it'll have to be either the living room stereo or my headphones.

Being grateful that these discs even exist does help take away the sting a little bit though. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 6:28 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

i love this album but i can only listen to it on headphones.
when i play it through speakers the quiet parts are so quiet i have to raise the volume higher than usual to hear the detail, which then makes the loud parts obnoxiously loud and i have to turn it down again.
this is the only album i own where this occurs.
on headphones there is no issue of course, and i love the sound quality, but is this a case of dynamic range taken a notch too far? or am i not understanding something?


That sounds like an issue with your stereo setup. The album has great dynamic range, but if you can't hear the quiet passages at all then your setup must be lacking in fine detail, unfortunately.

I've noticed the same thing with regards to the listening difficulties due to such drastic differences in volume. Same as I've encountered with Intrada's expanded ROCKETEER release. While it sadly means I can't really listen to the music in my car, I simply accept that it'll have to be either the living room stereo or my headphones.

Cars are definitely not ideal for listening to dynamic recordings. There are albums I can't listen to while driving too, and those tend to be the most detailed recordings. I'll take that any day over awful mixes where flutes and harps are as loud as brass and timpani.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I've noticed the same thing with regards to the listening difficulties due to such drastic differences in volume. Same as I've encountered with Intrada's expanded ROCKETEER release. While it sadly means I can't really listen to the music in my car, I simply accept that it'll have to be either the living room stereo or my headphones.

Being grateful that these discs even exist does help take away the sting a little bit though. big grin


I've heard a lot of complaints regarding the mastering of the Rocketeer. I don't have any issues with volume or quality of the music. I think it sounds awesome.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

I also feel the Rocketeer mastering could be better. The quiet parts are too quiet. And frankly the whole thing could be louder. Nothing wrong with Shadow though.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Nyborg   (Member)


That sounds like an issue with your stereo setup. The album has great dynamic range, but if you can't hear the quiet passages at all then your setup must be lacking in fine detail, unfortunately.



It could be down to the idiosyncrasies of the equipment I'm using, but I'm left wondering because it's the only time this happens, out of thousands of albums, including many Intrada, including the Rocketeer, which i have no issues with at all.
i use a Marantz player and amp, high quality speakers, the system is not lacking in fine detail, and it's not that i can't hear the quiet passages, it's that they require a slightly higher volume, exactly like an album that has been produced at a low overall volume, which is fine, except then the loud parts come in, and the higher volume is not needed anymore, in fact it's too much.
Yes it has great dynamic range, but might it be a little too great? A little too widely spaced?



I also feel the Rocketeer mastering could be better. The quiet parts are too quiet. And frankly the whole thing could be louder. Nothing wrong with Shadow though.



Well i guess that would point to differences in equipment, because it's the opposite for me. Are you listening on a home stereo?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2018 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)


That sounds like an issue with your stereo setup. The album has great dynamic range, but if you can't hear the quiet passages at all then your setup must be lacking in fine detail, unfortunately.



It could be down to the idiosyncrasies of the equipment I'm using, but I'm left wondering because it's the only time this happens, out of thousands of albums, including many Intrada, including the Rocketeer, which i have no issues with at all.
i use a Marantz player and amp, high quality speakers, the system is not lacking in fine detail, and it's not that i can't hear the quiet passages, it's that they require a slightly higher volume, exactly like an album that has been produced at a low overall volume, which is fine, except then the loud parts come in, and the higher volume is not needed anymore, in fact it's too much.
Yes it has great dynamic range, but might it be a little too great? A little too widely spaced?



I also feel the Rocketeer mastering could be better. The quiet parts are too quiet. And frankly the whole thing could be louder. Nothing wrong with Shadow though.


I’ve given Rocketeer spins both in my car and at home over my speakers and do think it has a lower volume then most everything else I play. I know it was already explained but wish it had the same volume as it’s original counterpart.


Well i guess that would point to differences in equipment, because it's the opposite to me. Are you listening on a home stereo?

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2018 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   Nyborg   (Member)

^ that the rocketeer could be louder overall is not the same issue though.

i'm specifically talking about the range between the quietest and the loudest points.
to me it sounds like the shadow is both quieter and louder than most albums, including the rocketeer.

 
 Posted:   Mar 14, 2018 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Air Force One is really quiet compared to other 90s Jerry scores. I had a few tracks in a mix playlist and had to turn it way up anytime they came on.

I did notice this with The Shadow, but not as severe.

 
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