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Sep 24, 2015 - 7:55 AM
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jenkwombat
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Ah, THAT argument again...am I up for it? As I said, I've always put the creator's vision first. What he chooses to present of his own work is up to him, and then it's up to me whether I like it or not. I could say, for example, that I wish Da Vinci had used a little more green in the background of Mona Lisa, but in the end that was not the colour he chose. I'm not a record producer. I'm a consumer. I'll let the record producers (preferably the composer himself) produce the artwork, and then I'll do the evaluating of the artwork when it's finished. I don't have a habit of partaking in its creation. Ah, but to me, the *full* score is also a work of art. Whether the composer always realizes it or not (like in the case of "The Rocketeer"). Which is just one reason why I like to own (and hear) the whole score.
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Um, Thor, there aren't any Debussy symphonies. I know what you mean, though, he wrote plenty of big works for orchestra that are the scale of symphonies, whatever they're called. I'm more on Thor's side of preferring a good listen over the complete score, eliminating at least some of the repetition inherent in film scores and in no other kind of recording. And I WANT to hear what the composer thinks is the best presentation of their music. But here's the thing, Thor. This board, and the trend in soundtrack expansions, demonstrates there is a big enough audience for the complete score for them to be released. That means that if you and I got our way all the time there would be a lot of people around these parts who would miss out on the music they want to hear. I for one have no desire to interfere with that preference. Plus, I watched Rocketeer again recently, and quite enjoyed the additional music, and think it would play well in a more complete version.
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True. The trend and demand is what it is. Nothing I or you can do about it. But the only thing we have left is to complain about it once in a while! Nah, we can also console ourselves with re-releases of great albums. I'm going to plug CARNY again - the recent CD premiere of one of Alex North's last scores (combined with great carnival tracks by Robbie Robertson). Now THERE is a terrific album! Plus, a lot of times current score albums are still being produced the old fashioned way - Hans Zimmer albums, Star Trek Into Darkness - some that get it just right! (If their music is your thing, anyway.)
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I'm more on Thor's side of preferring a good listen over the complete score, eliminating at least some of the repetition inherent in film scores and in no other kind of recording. See, that's interesting. I often think of soundtrack albums as being the example of repetitious because they tend to focus a lot on the "Main Theme" and one or two other themes, while leaving out interesting melodies and rhythms I'd like to hear from the score that aren't associated with those themes. No argument some times, but other times the expansions just keep adding more versions of the theme. I'll just point you to a couple of recent Jerry Goldsmith examples - Bad Girls and The Shadow. I love both of those scores, loved the original Bad Girls album and thought the original Shadow album was too short. But with both expansions, I get a bit worn out by the many additional versions of the main themes, even though Goldsmith keeps varying the way they're arranged and presented. That said, I do enjoy listening to both expansions, but the shorter versions didn't wear out their welcome as much as the new ones, for me. The main point is whether the individual listener remembers a great bit of music from the film and doesn't hear it in the album. That's often the source of the desire for the whole thing, and that I completely get. But I'll say that when I've gotten some of those bits in expansions, I understood immediately why the composer left them off the original release - because they're often fragments, and what the composer wants to represent is stronger stand-alone material. Thus the focus on full themes.
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