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 Posted:   Feb 9, 2012 - 11:57 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

... are being re-released as part of the Classic Film Scores redo (without the Dolby surround sound)?
I'm talking of the two Williams Jedi and Star Wars/Close Encounters discs, and the Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores disc that has plenty of important material not on the other CFS CDs.
The recent remastering of the first two batches was such an improvement over the old, I'm hoping they don't stop there.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 7:34 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Maybe there is something up with the rights to the Star Wars music.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 7:55 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I've always wondered why there aren't rerecordings of more Star Wars prequel music. I don't think I've seen anything but a few concert pieces by Kunzel or CoPPO. Is it more cost-prohibitive to license music from a major license like that? Star Wars music seems like a guaranteed seller (if there is such a thing in film music), and a good rerecording of prequel music (especially of unreleased music) would likely sell well. What I'd give for a rerecording of the Star Wars scores (OT or Prequel) in the style of the recent Conan recordings, or the Varese Superman/Jaws recordings from the 1990s!

Sorry for the tangent. I do like Gerhardt rerecordings very much, and any additional remasters are appreciated smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Star Wars aside, I wish that RCA/BMG had included the five suites of new material from Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores as bonus tracks on the 12 official CD releases, with Julius Caesar added to the Rozsa disc, Peyton Place on the Waxman disc, The Thing on the Tiomkin disc, King of the Khyber Rifles on the Hermann disc and Amfitheatrof's Salome dance on one of the remaining 8 discs.

We should be thankful that the resplendent Raksin Conducts Raksin CD was released.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I've always wondered why there aren't rerecordings of more Star Wars prequel music. I don't think I've seen anything but a few concert pieces by Kunzel or CoPPO. Is it more cost-prohibitive to license music from a major license like that? Star Wars music seems like a guaranteed seller (if there is such a thing in film music), and a good rerecording of prequel music (especially of unreleased music) would likely sell well. What I'd give for a rerecording of the Star Wars scores (OT or Prequel) in the style of the recent Conan recordings, or the Varese Superman/Jaws recordings from the 1990s!

Sorry for the tangent. I do like Gerhardt rerecordings very much, and any additional remasters are appreciated smile


What is wrong with the prequel scores that they would need Tadlow style or any style of re-recordings?

They are not going to sound any better either in sound quality or in performance quality since John Williams will not be involved.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Sir Patrick Spens   (Member)

What is wrong with the prequel scores that they would need Tadlow style or any style of re-recordings?


Expansion! Good old fashioned expansion.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2012 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

What is wrong with the prequel scores that they would need Tadlow style or any style of re-recordings?


Expansion! Good old fashioned expansion.


Then expand them, no need to rerecord the scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 11, 2012 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I'm wondering what the sales have been like for these albums. I was surprised to see that my local record store even has a few of them sitting on the shelf. They're in the 'classical' section under Gerhardt, so anybody who wants them would probably never find them.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2012 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

... are being re-released as part of the Classic Film Scores redo (without the Dolby surround sound)?
I'm talking of the two Williams Jedi and Star Wars/Close Encounters discs, and the Spectacular World of Classic Film Scores disc that has plenty of important material not on the other CFS CDs.
The recent remastering of the first two batches was such an improvement over the old, I'm hoping they don't stop there.


Crikey!!!

Luckily I managed to stumble onto this thread while warming up in our hotel in a freezing Venice. Thanks for the 'heads up'.

I wa really disappointed in the Lost Horizon CD so hopefully the remastered version will be an improvement.

I've ordered six others as well.

Well, off to a Vivaldi concert! Yay!

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2012 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

What I'd give for a rerecording of the Star Wars scores (OT or Prequel) in the style of the recent Conan recordings, or the Varese Superman/Jaws recordings from the 1990s!smile

Then, pray, pay for it yourself. I can't think of any scores that are LESS in need of re-recordings than any Star Wars stuff ... frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2012 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

What is wrong with the prequel scores that they would need Tadlow style or any style of re-recordings?

They are not going to sound any better either in sound quality or in performance quality since John Williams will not be involved.


The prequel CDs are recorded very, very "flat" and lack dynamic range. Not to mention, the Gerhardt concert recordings (much like the Kunzle) have beautiful sound quality and have interesting performance details not heard in the original recordings.

No matter how perfect a performance is, music is only alive so long as it is performed. The more recordings, the better.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

What is wrong with the prequel scores that they would need Tadlow style or any style of re-recordings?

They are not going to sound any better either in sound quality or in performance quality since John Williams will not be involved.


What is wrong with Poledouris's "Conan the Barbarian" that it would need a Tadlow-style or any other style of rerecordings? What is wrong with "War Horse" that CoPPO did a recording of a track for Film Music 2011? For that matter, what was wrong with any of the original Star Wars scores that merited the numerous rerecordings of large swaths of music (Gerhardt, Williams himself, Kunzel, et al)? And what's wrong with Beethoven's symphonies that people keep rerecording them?

Orchestral music is very much a living work, and fresh performances by talented orchestras and performers are wonderful to have.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

We don't need another "Four Seasons" either. Re-Record stuff that isn't there already.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

I was initially set to buy all of these. Then I bought a few and did not like what they did to them sonically. There is some artificial processing and they have added REVERB to the ones I bought. Very strange and totally unnecessary as the albums were wonderfully recorded to begin with. All they needed to do to 'remaster' was bring them up to current levels of volume and presence. Disappointing.
I'll keep the originals and turn them up if I want to hear how they'd sound properly remastered.

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

If you have the time it would be great if you could create some samples of the new vs old recordings for us to compare as well!

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2012 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

I'm set up to a/b almost anything. I've got a great Yamaha amp and superb Paradigm speakers - which don't add too much colour. I can go from blu-rays to DVD's to VHS to laserdiscs pretty easily back and forth and any audio combination. I a/b'd the new Gerhardt's with the old - and prefer the old because of the artificial EQ'ing of the new. The 3 I checked have been run through a processor - likely one of those new jobs which are supposed to 'analog-ize' digital recordings (sometimes it works but not on recordings that already sounded great). If you had a really cold, austere sound that you wanted to make sound a little more fiery and warm, yes but these sound like they've been coloured by sonic crayons. The audio equivalent of colorizing. With all that - I'm not 'tekky' enough to grab samples and put them up for comparison (yet). Maybe next year.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2012 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

I'm set up to a/b almost anything. I've got a great Yamaha amp and superb Paradigm speakers - which don't add too much colour. I can go from blu-rays to DVD's to VHS to laserdiscs pretty easily back and forth and any audio combination. I a/b'd the new Gerhardt's with the old - and prefer the old because of the artificial EQ'ing of the new. The 3 I checked have been run through a processor - likely one of those new jobs which are supposed to 'analog-ize' digital recordings (sometimes it works but not on recordings that already sounded great). If you had a really cold, austere sound that you wanted to make sound a little more fiery and warm, yes but these sound like they've been coloured by sonic crayons. The audio equivalent of colorizing. With all that - I'm not 'tekky' enough to grab samples and put them up for comparison (yet). Maybe next year.

Just got back from Venice and live Vivaldi concerts. Waiting for me was a package of the remastered scores. I have just finished listening to Lost Horizon and to my ears and memory it sounds like my 1st experience back in the day to listen to the original LP when I used a Rega Planar 3 turntable plus Cambridge amp and Heybrook HB2 speakers.

It sounds much better than the original cd versions to me.


 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2012 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

I'm set up to a/b almost anything. I've got a great Yamaha amp and superb Paradigm speakers - which don't add too much colour. I can go from blu-rays to DVD's to VHS to laserdiscs pretty easily back and forth and any audio combination. I a/b'd the new Gerhardt's with the old - and prefer the old because of the artificial EQ'ing of the new. The 3 I checked have been run through a processor - likely one of those new jobs which are supposed to 'analog-ize' digital recordings (sometimes it works but not on recordings that already sounded great). If you had a really cold, austere sound that you wanted to make sound a little more fiery and warm, yes but these sound like they've been coloured by sonic crayons. The audio equivalent of colorizing. With all that - I'm not 'tekky' enough to grab samples and put them up for comparison (yet). Maybe next year.

Just got back from Venice and live Vivaldi concerts. Waiting for me was a package of the remastered scores. I have just finished listening to Lost Horizon and to my ears and memory it sounds like my 1st experience back in the day to listen to the original LP when I used a Rega Planar 3 turntable plus Cambridge amp and Heybrook HB2 speakers.

It sounds much better than the original cd versions to me.


 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2012 - 5:01 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

It seems RCA have licensed The Spectacular World Of Classic Film Scores to another label, at least RCA are credited as the copyright holders on the back cover so I assume it's officially licensed...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Waxman-Steiner-Famous-Classics-8802104/dp/B0073ODRU6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1329651791&sr=8-1

THE THING FROM ANOTHER WORLD is incorrectly credited just as ANOTHER WORLD.

Cheaper at HMV...

http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=280;-1;-1;-1;-1&sku=554783

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2012 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Newton Classics has been reissuing a lot of old major label discs, and been getting some very good praise for its choices.

I cannot fathom that it's anything but completely legit.

 
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