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 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Got my copy of Mysterious Island today.
Let me declare an interest here. I produiced the Pioneer Laserdisc version of the film and remixed it for sterreo.

The complete score in stereo did not exist, so I had to do a stereo spread on the mono music and effects tracks

Now the dvd comes along in 5.1 with, it claims a 2.0 stereo music track.

I was sceptical. Could the complete stereo music tracks have been found.

First themusic only track sounds like all mono to me and a lot of is is the same music and effects track that I used, not a music only track at all.

Further the new mix sounds like mono to me too. You can toggle back and forth fromthenew stereo mix to the original mono tracka dn hear NO difference at all. Is this Sony pulling another Lost horizon gig again?

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

I had the VHS which was HiFi stereo....was that from your laserdisc mix? I was disappointed that the regular DVD was mono after hearing the Cloud 9 CD in stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


Yes, the VHS stereo was mine. The Cloud Nine cd was made from the tracks that were discovered while pulling up much music inventory from Sony in London.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Joe, so are you saying the music-only track is really music & FX? If so, then I guess I was correct when I suggested it was from the laser.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

But the main question is......what's the picture like??......that's what i would buy it for........

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 4:43 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

This "review" is utter rubbish. Joe is also spreading this nonsense on the Home Theater Forum. Does he have some sort of agenda?

I just did a side-by-side comparison on my Oppo upscaling DVD player and the new Blu-ray on a 50" calibrated plasma. The difference is stunning and immediate:

- The detail level is strikingly higher, even in effects scenes.
- Grain is evident, as expected. It is abundant in effects scenes, as expected.
- The colors are far more natural. The DVD's yellowish tint is gone.
- There is more visible picture in the frame. The DVD was overcropped.
- The awful motion artifacts in the grainy scenes on the DVD are now gone.

This transfer is every bit as good as the excellent Jason And The Argonauts Blu-ray from a while back. I was thoroughly impressed.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

Also... Joe, the title of your thread is inflammatory and childish. You should change it out of respect to the folks who obviously worked hard on this release.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Mine just arrived have not viewed it yet, and I agree Joe's post is a bit much.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If Joe paid money for his copy, he can call it like he sees it.

And his comments here focused on the audio.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

If Joe paid money for his copy, he can call it like he sees it.

And his comments here focused on the audio.


This isn't a matter of what he "can" do... but what he "should" do. Poor form.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   msmith   (Member)

I plan to go to the Egyptian theatre in Hollywood on Sunday 13th to see a special screening of Mysterious Island.
Nick Redman is one of the planned speakers to appear that day.
Perhaps I can squeeze in a question about the music source for the DVD.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If Joe paid money for his copy, he can call it like he sees it.

And his comments here focused on the audio.


This isn't a matter of what he "can" do... but what he "should" do. Poor form.



I appreciate your position, but I don't see how any of us can judge what another can or should do, particularly when that someone is an industry veteran with a long, professional interest in the quality of it's products.

Walk a mile in his shoes and you may feel differently.

EDITED TO ADD: If the packaging of the product in question boasts a feature that it doesn't actually have, you can be darn sure the potential buyers want to know about it. That's what Joe was saying here.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 6:30 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

This "review" is utter rubbish. Joe is also spreading this nonsense on the Home Theater Forum. Does he have some sort of agenda?

I just did a side-by-side comparison on my Oppo upscaling DVD player and the new Blu-ray on a 50" calibrated plasma. The difference is stunning and immediate:

- The detail level is strikingly higher, even in effects scenes.
- Grain is evident, as expected. It is abundant in effects scenes, as expected.
- The colors are far more natural. The DVD's yellowish tint is gone.
- There is more visible picture in the frame. The DVD was overcropped.
- The awful motion artifacts in the grainy scenes on the DVD are now gone.

This transfer is every bit as good as the excellent Jason And The Argonauts Blu-ray from a while back. I was thoroughly impressed.


Ummm....weren't all of Joe's comments about the audio on this release? You seem not to have read his post at all.

....glad to hear the VQ is all good though smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 7:00 PM   
 By:   soop.broth   (Member)

Ummm....weren't all of Joe's comments about the audio on this release? You seem not to have read his post at all.

....glad to hear the VQ is all good though smile


I just want people to know what to expect as far as the video is concerned. He is disparaging the video quality as well over on the home theater forum.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Mine arrived today, and I've watched it.

It looks and sounds TERRIFIC!

I opted for the 5.1 sound and it was very nice. If it's not stereo, these old ears could not tell. The score was stunning

Yes, there are some M&E tracks in there on the isolated score feature because the master scoring elements are missing.

I've never seen this movie look this GREAT before.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Ummm....weren't all of Joe's comments about the audio on this release? You seem not to have read his post at all.

....glad to hear the VQ is all good though smile


I just want people to know what to expect as far as the video is concerned. He is disparaging the video quality as well over on the home theater forum.


I agree with the posters who contend Joe has a right to complain about a product he paid for and doesn't feel lives up to his standards.

That said, Joe is more often very negative than positive about most things, especially at Home Theater Forum. Something in a film that wouldn't bother most people brings out his rants. He crucified the BD release of "The Sound of Music" primarily over the missing sound effect of Julie Andrews' hand slapping her apron in the opening song. While I do recall that sound in past releases (and from having seen the movie many times on the big screen), I don't miss that sound. Joe does, though.

I understand because Blu-ray SHOULD be the absolute BEST something can be. As we have found in past releases of films we've waited and waited for, stupid decisions are made by people who have no clue what the film should look or sound like. I give you "West Side Story" and "My Fair Lady" as two such projects that should have been placed in the hands of people who love film and know how it should look. Most reviews find serious flaws with both BD releases.

As for Twilight Time, I don't find any problems with their presentation. I think they've given us the very best they could. They are not, after all, restoring the films they release. Joe was right to point the finger at Sony if blame is to be placed on anyone's doorstep because Sony is the source of the film.

I ain't assigning any blame, though. LOVED IT!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 7:46 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Ummm....weren't all of Joe's comments about the audio on this release? You seem not to have read his post at all.

....glad to hear the VQ is all good though smile


I just want people to know what to expect as far as the video is concerned. He is disparaging the video quality as well over on the home theater forum.


I agree with the posters who contend Joe has a right to complain about a product he paid for and doesn't feel lives up to his standards.

That said, Joe is more often very negative than positive about most things, especially at Home Theater Forum. Something in a film that wouldn't bother most people brings out his rants. He crucified the BD release of "The Sound of Music" primarily over the missing sound effect of Julie Andrews' hand slapping her apron in the opening song. While I do recall that sound in past releases (and from having seen the movie many times on the big screen), I don't miss that sound. Joe does, though.

I understand because Blu-ray SHOULD be the absolute BEST something can be. As we have found in past releases of films we've waited and waited for, stupid decisions are made by people who have no clue what the film should look or sound like. I give you "West Side Story" and "My Fair Lady" as two such projects that should have been placed in the hands of people who love film and know how it should look. Most reviews find serious flaws with both BD releases.

As for Twilight Time, I don't find any problems with their presentation. I think they've given us the very best they could. They are not, after all, restoring the films they release. Joe was right to point the finger at Sony if blame is to be placed on anyone's doorstep because Sony is the source of the film.

I ain't assigning any blame, though. LOVED IT!



Thanks Ron for your comments. I think it's true that those in the "know" are sometimes a little too close to the material and often may focus on things that the average blu-ray consumer would not even notice. These review sites can sometimes teeter on the subjective/objective seesaw and in the end confuse rather than inform.

Glad to hear that for the most part, this Harryhausen classic is looking (and sounding wink)better than it ever has....

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Glad someone reminded me to order this. At 3k, it shan't be around long.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 9:56 PM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

I just got it today, and have spot-checked it and I think it looks great on my 103" screen. The color, contrast, is fine and I don't find the grain a bother. I put it above the blu of SINBAD and about equal to JASON.

For what they had to work with on the sound, I think it is terrific. Not all the score survived in stereo and I suspect they did what they did in SINBAD. Sort of even-outed the stereo vs mono music so there wouldn't be too big a contrast going from stereo and mono. Like Jason, they opened up the sound field the best they could and some scenes you do have an immersive sound experience. Based on the old DVD, I never imagined this could look and sound as good as it is. Easily worth the upgrade for me.

 
 Posted:   Nov 12, 2011 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I agree with the posters who contend Joe has a right to complain about a product he paid for and doesn't feel lives up to his standards.

That said, Joe is more often very negative than positive about most things, especially at Home Theater Forum. Something in a film that wouldn't bother most people brings out his rants.


I agree on both counts. This is not meant to be any sort of insult to Joe (honestly), nor to anybody who expects a first-rate product. But the seemingly unending negativity, typically articulated as either outrage or utter despair, tends to make me wonder whether posters like this have lost all perspective. Perhaps it is unfair of me, but the melodrama loses me pretty quickly, which is a shame, because it obviously comes from passion. I know people like this in my real life, too, and the rants wear me out. (In real life, it's harder to just scan past and move on!)

 
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