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Oooo, I did not know this was on BluRay yet, and I haven't seen 2000. MUST GET NOW!!!
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Nov 2, 2011 - 2:13 PM
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Richard-W
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There is no resemblance between the photochemical origin of FANTASIA and the digitally reprocessed scan of the Blu-ray. Same film, different colors, different textures, different gamma, different everything. On one hand it's a violation of the filmmaker's intent, on the other hand, it looks spectacular as a digital entity.
After the first twenty minutes I found myself skipping through it, watching a few minutes here and there, checking out all the aesthetic changes that I can see but I cannot define.
I don't know. More people have Linoleum on their kitchen floor than actual marble, and it looks the same even though it doesn't look the same. It's inevitable, I guess, that movies should turn into Linoleum and that Disney lead the charge.
I think I'll stick with the old DVD and the laser disc that preceded it. I enjoy those. The film still boggles my mind.
What do you all think of NOSTROMO?
Any opinions?
Richard
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My favorite sequence in FANTASIA is "The Sorcerer's Apprentice". Phenomenal stuff, and it looks great to my eyes on Blu-Ray.
In FANTASIA 2000, easily my favorite sequence is the Al Hirshfeld/Gershwin "Rhapsody in Blue" sequence. But it cheats by using my one of my all-time favorite artists, tied to my all-time favorite piece of music.
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I still have the 3-DVD set, which includes a full disk of extras, including footage from other sequences originally planned to be included, like Debussy's CLAIR DE LUNE.
I understand none of this is included in the Blu-Ray. Is this true?
In which case, aside from the aforementioned debate on the transfer, why buy it?
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Nov 3, 2011 - 8:07 AM
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KubrickFan
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I still have the 3-DVD set, which includes a full disk of extras, including footage from other sequences originally planned to be included, like Debussy's CLAIR DE LUNE.
I understand none of this is included in the Blu-Ray. Is this true?
In which case, aside from the aforementioned debate on the transfer, why buy it?
I believe it is included, but it's part of the virtual vault, meaning that you can only access them through BD-Live. And to make it more confusing, the content is already on the disc. You just need to connect your player to the internet to be able to get to them. Weird, and ridiculous. You can't tell me that there wasn't enough room to include only a few GBs of SD bonus material.
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Nov 3, 2011 - 11:09 AM
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Octoberman
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In FANTASIA 2000, easily my favorite sequence is the Al Hirshfeld/Gershwin "Rhapsody in Blue" sequence. But it cheats by using my one of my all-time favorite artists, tied to my all-time favorite piece of music.
That was my biggest disappointment about F2000. The music cuts in "Rhapsody in Blue" were artless and unconscionable. It was as if the music were cut to fit the image, as opposed to the reverse, which was the original idea behind FANTASIA.
That bothered me, too. When I first heard of the exchange with Levine about the 1st movement of Beethoven's 5th, I thought, "Uh oh...".
I can't remember the exact words (I think it's on the commentary), but when someone asked him what he thought about a 3-minute version, he said it would have to be the RIGHT 3 minutes.
Yikes.
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Nov 4, 2011 - 12:13 AM
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Yen Fai
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I have both the laserdisc and the DVD set. The restored version presented on laserdisc is my preference, and while I appreciate Roy Disney's attempt to recreate the road show version on DVD, something about it just doesn't appeal to me. Since the Bluray is the same presentation as the DVD, I haven't even considered upgrading. One of my biggest pet peeves is Corey Burton's approximation of Deems Taylor's voice, which simply doesn't sit with me; I'm accustomed to Taylor's voice on the laserdisc*. But I understand the (supposed) need to replace sub-par audio tracks. Also I'm very disheartened to hear about the virtual vault issue.
I plan to wait for a later release; maybe Disney will entice me with something special. The only things that would convince me to buy another edition:
- bundle it with the 90s restored version, and/or the 80s Irwin Kostal Dolby Surround version.
- restore the censored footage, or at least put it in the special features.
- restore the Deems Taylor audio (unless it is truly grossly damaged or not in fact his voice at all)
- none of this virtual vault nonsense. Put extras on the disc or don't.
Most of these requests could easily be achieved with branching or menu options.
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*In fact, I read somewhere that the version on laserdisc may not be Taylor's actual voice, and instead may have been provided by Hugh Douglas. However, a Deems Taylor LP (http://youtu.be/rfBLX48hPXo) shown on YouTube sounds exactly like the laserdisc narration. (The LP sounds a bit hurried, but there really wasn't much time to talk on 78 rpm records.) I have no idea what Hugh Douglas sounds like, but he is variously attributed as the narrator of the 1982 release of the Kostal version; with some reports listing Tim Matheson as the narrator of a 1985 re-release of the Kostal version. In the end, we may never know. Apologies for this lengthy aside!
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I'm also very disappointed the digital rerecording wasn't included as an option. The original recording strains the ears on an otherwise epic film...Has the Irwin Kostal track appeared on any home video version of FANTASIA?
My understanding is that the 1982 Kostal re-recording has never been included on any home video format. I could be wrong.
On the other hand, the Irwin Kostal album has always been the source of my primary engagement--film, video or audio--with the whole Fantasia slate of media, to my great satisfaction. I was thrilled to learn yesterday that those tracks will be included on The Legacy Collection release of the Fantasia soundtrack.
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