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 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Adam S   (Member)

John and Adam, I want to adopt you!!!

Why thank you! How very Angelie Jolieish of you. The feeling is mutual even if my parents might have something to say about that. ( :

- Adam

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

John and Adam, I want to adopt you!!!

Why thank you! How very Angelie Jolieish of you. The feeling is mutual even if my parents might have something to say about that. ( :

- Adam


Joan,

My wife would like you to sign the adoption papers ASAP...

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)



Just a quick ten minute google of the simple question, 'Do males and females prefer different types of music?" produces these two contrasting results...the first makes reference to an academic study on young peoples' musical habits in the wake of the Columbine incident, conducted by Iowa University:



"Male and female listening habits are markedly different, too. Teen males tend to use music for emotional stimulation, while females may look for reinforcement of an existing mood, the study says."

Read more: How Does Music Affect Teens? | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6659041_music-affect-teens_.html#ixzz1qGBjR0Vn


And this one with an opposite slant is a journalistic reaction to an article by a UK music director, about possible attitudes to musical analysis:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/feb/20/womenmenmusic


In short, there ARE people out there researching these things as best they can. Whether one agrees or does not with the findings of any one study, whether one might ask questions re the environmental conditioning of taste with respect to sexism, the mere idea that these things should be veiled behind some sacrosanct no-go barrier doesn't stop such research being done out in the REAL world, nor should it.


As regards the Dan stuff, I think we all appreciate that Dan has his own idiosyncratic way of expressing himself, and that he never meant the thing to come out exactly as he said it. We've read his stuff for a while, we know he isn't an ogre. He meant no harm. Actually everyone here knows this is the case if they're honest.

But how much more fun to knock people with put-downs in mock Jane-Austen prose and intellectual self-congratulatory pomposity. Ah, the trappings of academia....

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

Maturing through experience from ignorance to knowledge – this is not only a guiding principle for the Enlightenment, but also a paradigm for personal development on the FSM message board. I would have thought that the critical posts from both men and women in this thread had given you sufficient grounds to reevaluate your untenable position as well as the means to deal with your empathy deficit.

Ah well....

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 4:11 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Maturing through experience from ignorance to knowledge – this is not only a guiding principle for the Enlightenment, but also a paradigm for personal development on the FSM message board. I would have thought that the critical posts from both men and women in this thread had given you sufficient grounds to reevaluate your untenable position as well as the means to deal with your empathy deficit.

Ah well....




'The Enlightenment'. By God sir, you'll soon be up to scratch with the 1790s if you race on like that. The Regency prose, the over-reverence for classical references, the .... DON'T TELL ME. You teach school history. HOW DID I GUESS? I'm RIGHT, aren't I? Go on, what do you teach? Are you in the debating society? I bet you're in the debating society.

It's a big world John, (May I call you John?) and it's the 21st Century. Einstein and Rutherford and Bohr and Heisenberg have come and gone, and Gore Vidal is no longer the talk of the town, and we have STRING THEORY 'n all. It's AMAZING up here.

Y'read a lot of Jane Austen, John?

Now, about that Iowa research above. Is it hooey, John, is it hooey? D'you think women have souls, John? D'you think phlogisten is a valid field of research? Is it SOUND, John, is it SOUND?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   John Smith   (Member)

Let’s get back to Dan’s opening question before we spin off on another tangent to nowhere:

“Why do you feel we don't get a lot of women on a board like this?”

To (mis)quote John Wilmot (1647–1680): Before I read this thread I had six theories about why there are very few women on this message board; now I have over 200 posts, and no theories.

At least, I have no theories that I would call my own any more.

I suspect there are at least as many theories as there are posters. I have already stated my own (buried deep in this thread) and, by and large, they chime with those presented by AstraeaBeauty in an earlier post:

“Rest assured that there are female film score fans out in the world! It's probably just that they're too busy with their lives to 1.) find this forum and 2.) take time out of their busy schedules to participate. Plus, there's the sad fact that females are socially conditioned from an early age to "like" certain forms of entertainment. Which isn't to say that all females are like this...cause they're not!”

It is important to point out that AstraeaBeauty is NOT claiming ex cathedra authority by dint of her being a woman. However, I am prepared to give her opinions more credence than those of Mr Crum’s by virtue of that fact. In addition, Mr Crum’s last post points to the unmistakable conclusion that he’s not in complete control of his faculties, which greatly vitiates the value of his opinions.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I will repeat again, anyone who could actually believe that all things are indeed equal are thinking in a freakish manner, example and this has no prejudice at all in it's intention. let's take 2 nations Ireland and Italy, if i was to say that in both nations there are good people, ok people, bad people it would be wrong of me to make a judgement or say one nation's people had more good people then the other, then that would be a case where one could accuse one of bias remarks which cannot ever be proven since there are millions of people involed and how could one prove one is better then another . It would be a foolish statement , however what if it was possible to find out and get a exact total of everybody in one nation against the other and ask a class of kids that we found that yes indeed a certain act is done alot more times in one nation then in another[be it a positive or negative act], one of course will say well of course i really didn't think out of millions of people the total would come out exact, but then some over senstive person of which i am referring to MMM as an example were to say, no you can't say that it has to be equal with all and start yelling and accusing the man who brought out that the total was not equal is bias is prejudice etc etc, well i would have to say that person who is telling everybody and yelling is not being logical to the fact out of millions of people i don't think the amount of people doing an act is exactly the same, that is silly of course it is not the same.so check the newstands and tell me i am wrong, nothing in this world is equal, people are different woman's brains are different then men, The freaks are the people who are trying to brainwash the masses with lies saying something is equal and it is not. Thy truth thy set thee free, i believe i read somewhere years ago that a indie station in New York wor-TV CH 9 in New york, got a much larger amount of males watching their more non mainstream product then CBS[mainstream product], CBS got a large female audience with the male audience another example of my original point folks.I think if one was to take this further we could give thousands and thousands of examples, but oh yes that would offend the people who live in the fantasy world of MMM AND rUBY, where the lie is the truth and the truth is the lie.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I am holding my ace in my deck of cards for another time on this issue[and no it won't be about a pregnant woman so it can't be banned from this decent board] so the decent few who do run it will have no reason to correct me

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Dan, you asked the orginal question, but you already had your answer or your perception of the truth. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not sure I'd ask a question if I already had the answer.

I think one problem may be how men and women look at the word "equal." Maybe it needs some sort of context, but a context or generalization that stereotypes genders won't engender "Oh, I certainly agree" responses. There has been damage done here that just may diminish our already small number of women.

I shall now go bang my head against the wall for a while and start filling out those important adoption papers. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Mr. Smith, can we enjoy another of your delightful Classical references to spice the brew?

Nemo surdior est quam is qui non audiet.




I think the translation of what Mr. Smith is saying is "I choose to live and work in Saudi Arabia, where women earn $7,157 to men's $36,727".

By the way, the figures are official ones, as reported in the press.
Saudi Arabia, where Mr. Smith apparently chooses to live and work, is listed as THE worst country in the world for wage differential between women and men. Not to mention all the other repressions women suffer there. I do hope he is giving his Saudi pals and colleagues some words of advice too.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

I will repeat again, anyone who could actually believe that all things are indeed equal are thinking in a freakish manner, example and this has no prejudice at all in it's intention. let's take 2 nations Ireland and Italy, if i was to say that in both nations there are good people, ok people, bad people it would be wrong of me to make a judgement or say one nation's people had more good people then the other, then that would be a case where one could accuse one of bias remarks which cannot ever be proven since there are millions of people involed and how could one prove one is better then another . It would be a foolish statement , however what if it was possible to find out and get a exact total of everybody in one nation against the other and ask a class of kids that we found that yes indeed a certain act is done alot more times in one nation then in another[be it a positive or negative act], one of course will say well of course i really didn't think out of millions of people the total would come out exact, but then some over senstive person of which i am referring to MMM as an example were to say, no you can't say that it has to be equal with all and start yelling and accusing the man who brought out that the total was not equal is bias is prejudice etc etc, well i would have to say that person who is telling everybody and yelling is not being logical to the fact out of millions of people i don't think the amount of people doing an act is exactly the same, that is silly of course it is not the same.so check the newstands and tell me i am wrong, nothing in this world is equal, people are different woman's brains are different then men, The freaks are the people who are trying to brainwash the masses with lies saying something is equal and it is not. Thy truth thy set thee free, i believe i read somewhere years ago that a indie station in New York wor-TV CH 9 in New york, got a much larger amount of males watching their more non mainstream product then CBS[mainstream product], CBS got a large female audience with the male audience another example of my original point folks.I think if one was to take this further we could give thousands and thousands of examples, but oh yes that would offend the people who live in the fantasy world of MMM AND rUBY, where the lie is the truth and the truth is the lie.

What you're saying doesn't even follow. In your given example where there's a statistical disparity between Italy and Ireland in terms of committing a particular act, you would conclude that there's an inherent neurological difference between Irish people and Italian people? Because that's the argument you're making with respect to gender.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:19 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

yes that is wrong and terrible and i hope such a wrong is change in the near future in Saudi Arabia, if two people are doing the same amount of work on the SAME LEVEL, THEN THERE SHOULD NOT BE SUCH A DIFFRENCE IN SALARY.BUT remember folks, male female, dog or cat, etc etc, if a person is not on the same level as another and does not put in the same amount of time and effort, he should not get the same amount, now don't start taking this statement apart folks and turning it around[even though i know you people know what i am talking about[ha-ha] it starts with a u-----

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:37 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I am saying that one could not say one nation has better people then the other but that indeed different nations will have different amounts of certain acts being committed and if you would go around saying that is not true that it is all equal then you would be lying to the public with a false satistic, I will give you an example, Basil Wrathbone has just stated and i assume it is correct, that men running the country in Saudi Arabia pay men [a act right] much more money then they pay[paying is a act]woman in their job force. ok he wouldn't have made that remark if i am sure he was not trying to give an example that , this was wrong because in Nations like England or America, men and woman in charge will pay[a act] a woman more money per hour then the men pay the woman in Saudi Arabia, RIGHT, RIGHT RIGHT, which means that defends the statement i made, certain acts are commited at different levels in different cultures and countries RIGHT, but as i said before people like RUBY AND MMM, want to have the pie and eat it too, when you want my statement to be right it will be right when you want to tear it apart it will be torn apart.Of course the acts of Ireland and Italy are different and the amount of them are different totals just like MR Wrathbone is saying about Saudi Arabia against say America or Germany etc etc, nothing is the same, nothing is equal, that is what i was saying from the beginning, GOSH.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

I am saying that one could not say one nation has better people then the other but that indeed different nations will have different amounts of certain acts being committed and if you would go around saying that is not true that it is all equal then you would be lying to the public with a false satistic, I will give you an example, Basil Wrathbone has just stated and i assume it is correct, that men running the country in Saudi Arabia pay men [a act right] much more money then they pay[paying is a act]woman in their job force. ok he wouldn't have made that remark if i am sure he was not trying to give an example that , this was wrong because in Nations like England or America, men and woman in charge will pay[a act] a woman more money per hour then the men pay the woman in Saudi Arabia, RIGHT, RIGHT RIGHT, which means that defends the statement i made, certain acts are commited at different levels in different cultures and countries RIGHT, but as i said before people like RUBY AND MMM, want to have the pie and eat it too, when you want my statement to be right it will be right when you want to tear it apart it will be torn apart.Of course the acts of Ireland and Italy are different and the amount of them are different totals just like MR Wrathbone is saying about Saudi Arabia against say America or Germany etc etc, nothing is the same, nothing is equal, that is what i was saying from the beginning, GOSH.

You seem really confused about what statistics actually imply.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

What satistics do you mean? a police department say in Southern Italy will have certain levels of certain acts that are comitted and say in Northern Spain the police Department will have certain acts comitted and they both won't be equal.your attack against me saying i am confused is very vague, i know what i am talking about. Why would it be any different with sexual gender then with any other satistic, i am still making a timeless point, and you are just refusing to agree with any logic i am saying, so what is the sense.Ask any honest policeman he would say if he was honest, i don't know exactly why it is that way, but it is that way.when it comes to certain crimes.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

any info on acts , why would you take a different attitude with a comparsion say with Ireland and Italy or Italy and Spain then with Saudi Arabia and say the U.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Billions of dollars are spend creating magazines on the market for woman that are different then magazines for men.getting back to my original point, just like magazines in Saudi Arabia are made different depending on the sex.All these things will effect how men and women will react to different roads they go down in their lives.

 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2012 - 10:29 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Wow. This thread has traveled a long distance away from film music. Dan, I feel like the thread is now nothing more than a series of rants from you. Y'all are gonna have to agree to disagree and get back to what this forum is about, m'kay.

 
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