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 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, I was thinking about that main title sequence (and a few other places in the film).

Oh, well. We can speculate back and forth. Untill we've heard the original episode, or untill anyone who's seen it chimes in, we won't know for sure.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

Yes, I was thinking about that main title sequence (and a few other places in the film).

Oh, well. We can speculate back and forth. Untill we've heard the original episode, or untill anyone who's seen it chimes in, we won't know for sure.


I edited my post, but I'm writing it again in case you didnt' see it.
The main title sequence in Ryder is an edit of 3-4 cues, 2 of which i have just identified (main title and ending cue of episode 3), so this is another element that leans towards the music being a re-use of episode's 3 score.

edit: ok, i have timings.
In the youtube video I posted above:
0.00-0.26 is coming from main title cue of episode 3 (it continues a bit there)
0.27-1.27 is coming from ending cue of episode 3 (it continues there too)
1.27-2.13 haven't identified it yet. maybe it's original music for the Ryker episode

Maybe we should move this conversation to the Kraft Suspense thread. Hehe

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

I've never seen the original two-part "Case Against Paul Ryker" episode. But the first 90 seconds or so of Sergeant Ryker is pretty obviously a credit sequence created for the theatrical release, because it doesn't match the credit sequence of the other Kraft Suspense Theatre episodes. So when Universal re-edited the two-part TV show for theatrical release, someone likely grabbed Williams' music from "End of the World, Baby" to cover the longer title sequence, then tracked bits of it into the episode at various points.

Something similar happened when Universal released "Once Upon a Savage Night" as Nightmare in Chicago: the theatrical version features a jazz waltz over the (newly created) main title sequence that was composed by Stanley Wilson, not Williams, and which did not appear in the original TV episode.

Konstantinos is, I believe, correct about the "End of the World, Baby" theme being newly arranged for use in "War of Nerves," but who did that (Williams himself or a staff composer/arranger at Revue) is a mystery.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, then. I yield -- somewhat reluctantly -- to your logic, Konstantinos and Jeff! wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Jeff Eldridge   (Member)

Thinking about this some more, another reason they might have tracked music into the movie (aside from the newly created opening and closing credit sequences) is to replace "act-outs" and "act-ins": brief cues that lead dramatically to (or welcome viewers back from) a commerical break.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I will delve into the details of this thread tomorrow, but in the meantime, I just want to say that I'd love a CD release of music from this show; and even more so, KRAFT SUSPENSE THEATRE, especially the fine music of Franz Waxman and Bernard Herrmann, not to mention some of Williams' greatest early TV work.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   James Corry   (Member)

I'll second that Jim!

J.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 11, 2014 - 7:52 PM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

Thirded.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2014 - 1:09 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think we all want that! And -- for that matter -- any of the other hundreds of unreleased tv episodes by Williams.

 
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