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 Posted:   May 28, 2011 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Just found this pan-and-scan version of the film on YouTube. Not the perfect way to see it the first time, but gives a taste of Bernstein's film version of the score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuwNh4yNVjE&feature=related

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2011 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Just found this pan-and-scan version of the film on YouTube. Not the perfect way to see it the first time, but gives a taste of Bernstein's film version of the score.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuwNh4yNVjE&feature=related



Thanks for posting, what a wonderful score, love to have Bernstein's score on CD. Anyone?

 
 Posted:   May 29, 2011 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Does it actually say "Orchestratrations by Leo Shuken" just before Bernstein's credit card?? Didn't the studio check the spelling in the credits before prints were made?

Anyway, the orchestrations are gorgeous.

 
 Posted:   May 29, 2011 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Full score release is definitelly long overdue...

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2011 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Yes, George, I missed that--"Orchestratrations by Leo Shuken." I hope at least Bernstein raked them over the coals for that. In any case, the score is there to appreciate in all it's full-blooded glory. (Now doesn't the Bernstein society version of the Main Title sound lacking without that chorus?)

And, yes Lokutus, THE MIRACLE, along with RAMPAGE, remains a Bernstein grail yet to be grasped and appreciated in full on an official release--even though it will probably be done from mono mixdowns.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2011 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

There was a prominent credit for Ray Heindorf's "musical supervision. I wonder what role he may have played. There's a lot of incidental music (hymns, and such). Was he perhaps in charge of that aspect?

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2011 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Thanks for the opportunity to hear some of this rarity. The choral part is certainly prominent in the opening, but I don't think it's really essential. It's mainly just a splash of color to signal "Religion!" Not a very subtle device. (Compare the absolutely critical use of chorus in the opening of THE EGYPTIAN. That score would be unthinkable without the vocals.) Am I right that Bernstein substituted an organ in the recording, albeit dubbed rather low in the mix? Also, the album version of the prelude is longer, with greater development of the opening material before it launches into the love music. The latter, I still feel, would be perfectly at home in one of those domestic soap operas that Bernstein scored in the fifties. While THE MIRACLE score does indeed resemble 10C in the thick textures and absence of Bernstein's characteristic woodwind ensembles, it has nothing like the profusion of leitmotivs that characterizes the DeMille score. So I don't think THE MIRACLE is as far from the Bernstein mainstream as the composer would have us think.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2011 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

I'm going to assume that since Bernstein's credit is "music by" the Heindorf credit means he did the conducting.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2011 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   philip*eric   (Member)

I think that the choral parts are essential to the score of THE MIRACLE -

and it was because they were excised from the rerecording that many fans did not like it-

it is certainly one of the reasons I love the music.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2011 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Am I right that Bernstein substituted an organ in the recording, albeit dubbed rather low in the mix?

I listened to the FSM FMC box version of the score the other day after hearing the Prelude online, and noticed the organ too, though my impression was that it was quite prominent.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2013 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Am I right that Bernstein substituted an organ in the recording, albeit dubbed rather low in the mix?

I listened to the FSM FMC box version of the score the other day after hearing the Prelude online, and noticed the organ too, though my impression was that it was quite prominent.


I recently heard back from the Warner Archives about an official release of THE MIRACLE - they have been at work on this one for about 3 years. The email said that the film elements for it were problematic - this is in reference to the Technirama widescreen prints being in Eastman color and having faded - but he said they are continuing to work on it. I wrote back that there are many fans out there waiting to see it in a splendid restored 16x9 print - too bad the soundtrack was not stereo -

I wish some one could locate the original music tracks for this beautiful score ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   DavidRayner1947   (Member)

I agree it's a beautiful score and one of my all time favourites and I've been waiting...and waiting...and waiting for it to be released on a wide screen DVD or at least the score on a CD. Sometimes, I think I'll be in my grave before it gets released. Warner Archive said more or less the same thing to me, that the main problem with "The Miracle" was the Technirama negative that needs a lot of restoration work doing on it. But Warner Archive have also released another Technirama film, "John Paul Jones"...which was made at around the same time as "The Miracle"...on a 16 x 9 and 2.35:1 DVD and they don't seem to have had any trouble with that. Both films would have been filmed on Eastman stock and have been printed by Technicolor, whose prints don't fade. Maybe a 35mm anamorphic CinemaScope / Technicolor type print was used to transfer "John Paul Jones" to DVD and if so, maybe they could do the same with "The Miracle", without doing all that restoration work on the negative.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 9:33 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I agree it's a beautiful score and one of my all time favourites and I've been waiting...and waiting...and waiting for it to be released on a wide screen DVD or at least the score on a CD. Sometimes, I think I'll be in my grave before it gets released. Warner Archive said more or less the same thing to me, that the main problem with "The Miracle" was the Technirama negative that needs a lot of restoration work doing on it. But Warner Archive have also released another Technirama film, "John Paul Jones"...which was made at around the same time as "The Miracle"...on a 16 x 9 and 2.35:1 DVD and they don't seem to have had any trouble with that. Both films would have been filmed on Eastman stock and have been printed by Technicolor, whose prints don't fade. Maybe a 35mm anamorphic CinemaScope / Technicolor type print was used to transfer "John Paul Jones" to DVD and if so, maybe they could do the same with "The Miracle", without doing all that restoration work on the negative.

I feel the same way -- how much longer will it take to be released? I have both KING RICHARD AND THE CRUSADERS which was a long time coming and JOHN PAUL JONES which I had never seen in widescreen . Maybe you should drop a note on facebook to Warner Archve about using a Cinemascope Technicolor print - it couldnt hurt.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 1:14 AM   
 By:   DavidRayner1947   (Member)

I suggested that to them some time ago on their Facebook page, but nothing seens to have come of it. I videoed the film in pan and scan when Channel 5 in the UK ran it in the early hours of the morning about 13 years ago and have since transferred it to DVD-R. It's the worst example of a pan and scan transfer that I've ever seen. Instead of trying to follow the actors and action, they just locked the image into the middle of the 'Scope frame and left it there, which resulted in numerous scenes of characters talking out of frame as they were either on the left or right of the original image. You can hear them speaking, but can't see them. However, the sound is loud and clear and the music sounds marvelous. If only I could say the same for the image. They must have used a dual telecine machine set up to transfer the film to pan and scan video as long ago as the mid-1960s and one of the machines is badly set up, so that every other reel is blurred on the right hand side of the image. Reel one blurred; reel two clear; reel three blurred; reel four clear and so on. I went to see the film at my local ABC as a 14 year old in February, 1961, and it looked marvelous. So it's getting on for 53 years since I last saw it properly. The poor condition (jumps about a lot) 50 second wide screen teaser trailer on YouTube gives you some idea of how the film looked originally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-QJOuJ8yPM




 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 10:04 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

I have the VHS release which I dont think is the same as the one you describe -- though pan and scan , there arent any scenes with just an empty center screen while two characters talk. I also have the one off TCM- probably identical. Have you seen this version? In intimate scenes , it isnt bad.

Funny I can remember seeing a broadcast - probably in the early to mid 60s - of some widescreen WB epic being shown in widescreen on a local Milwaukee channel - I think that it was LAND OF THE PHAROAHS - at the time - since the screen was probably 21" - 25" - I was annoyed because eveything looked so small .

I saw THE MIRACLE as you did in its full widescreen glory at least twice - at Easter time in 1961 (or so)paired with PRINCE OF PEACE - I made a copy of the movie ad and have it saved - I liked it so much I went back to see it again - a rare thing at the time ..

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   DavidRayner1947   (Member)

Sorry, no, I haven't seen the TCM version, nor the Warner Home Video pan and scan VHS release of quite some years ago now. But some widescreen films look dreadful in the now completely obsolete pan and scan format and "The Miracle" is definitely one of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 11:18 PM   
 By:   philiperic   (Member)

Sorry, no, I haven't seen the TCM version, nor the Warner Home Video pan and scan VHS release of quite some years ago now. But some widescreen films look dreadful in the now completely obsolete pan and scan format and "The Miracle" is definitely one of them.
Except what happens if we never get restored versions of these widescreen films ?

There are many more besides THE MIRACLE which still exist ONLY in pan/scan prints -- PRINCE OF PLAYERS, UNTAMED (Tyrone Power), SON OF SINBAD, THE BEST IN THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE, THE BIG FISHERMAN, WESTWARD HO THE WAGONS, JOHNNY GUITAR, RED GARTERS + THE SEVEN LITTLE FOYS are examples - all await restoration and who knows when or if the studios will get to them. Fox Studios has released a bunch of widescreen films in pan and scan only prints in just the last 2 years - so some people must still like it that way?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 2, 2013 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   DavidRayner1947   (Member)

Fox Cinema Archives in the States have deservedly come in for a lot of flak recently for releasing ancient pan and scan transfers of their CinemaScope films when they've already released the same films on wide screen DVDs in Europe, particularly Spain and they are still being shown on television in the UK in wide screen format. Thankfully, Warner Archive don't have such an odd policy and, if they ever do release "The Miracle" on DVD, you can bet that it'll be a 2.35:1 and 16 x 9 anamorphic transfer.

 
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