Film Score Monthly
FSM HOME MESSAGE BOARD FSM CDs FSM ONLINE RESOURCES FUN STUFF ABOUT US  SEARCH FSM   
Search Terms: 
Search Within:   search tips 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

My interest is in the music composed for silent films in the age of silent films. The score commissioned for a specific film was a rarity, with the standard practice to compile a score from the vast library of generic cues that were available from publishers.

In which case you should definitely get what is believed to be the first ORIGINAL film score ever written (in 1908), and by no less a composer than Camille Saint-Saens (Organ Symphony, Carnival of the Animals), L'ASSASSINAT DU DUC DE GUISE:


 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Spence   (Member)

Carl Davis' score for the Phantom Of The Opera enhances the enjoyment of the film so much, and as far as I know, he has not done a score for The Hunchback Of Notre Dame, which is a pity then, as I suspect he would similiarly offer an effective score.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Alfred Hitchcock's The Lodger from 1927, issued by MGM on the Alfred Hitchcock Premiere Collection DVD Set, has a 1999 score by Ashley Irwin which I found very impressive. It really supported the film well. There's a visual used throughout the film of the words "To-nite Golden Curls", which Irwin turns into a musical motif for the killer's state of mind. There's also a 1997 score by Paul Zaza on the same disc, which I thought was a little more ordinary.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My interest is in the music composed for silent films in the age of silent films. The score commissioned for a specific film was a rarity, with the standard practice to compile a score from the vast library of generic cues that were available from publishers. In contemporary articles theater music directors (who often also managed the entire theater) such as Rapee write of having a library of 20,000+ cues in their library. Such a library would include popular music, music originally written for circus and vaudeville, adapted classics, and original generic pieces. The sound films of the early thirties often used such pieces, until original scoring came into favor in the mid-thirties.

The advent of original scoring was, in fact, partly due to the ever-increasing library of various music (classical and popular) that still didn't account for the myriad of possible scenes and scenarios that the film medium started to develop. Max Winkler chronicled these changes to the industry at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Incidentally, last year I attended a film concert in the Norwegian Opera House which showed the Brazilian art film LIMITE (1931) with a score by Bugge Wesseltoft performed live with an ensemble of various jazz and word musicians. A very special experience, although not all things worked equally well. Read my report here (Google translate it first!):

http://montages.no/2010/10/ffs'10-stumfilmkonsert-til-limite-og-jubileum/

(hmmm, for some reason, the whole link won't work. You have to copy/paste).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2011 - 2:56 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'm surprised we've gotten this far in this thread and not mentioned the Turner Classic Movies Young Film Composers' Competititon.

I believe it was started around 2000 and its immediate primary point was to get some of the TCM-owned MGM and Warner Bros. silent films out of the vault and onto the TCM channel with appropriate newly-commissioned scores. . . .

Does anyone have a complete list of the films and composers and years involved in this project?



It took a lot of poking around on the TCM website, but I think I have a fairly complete list of the films that were re-scored under the Young Film Composers' Competition. It looks like the annual Competition ran from 2000 to 2007. Entrants composed a score to a select scene from a film, and the winner was given the opportunity to score one or more complete films. This looks like the inventory of scored films so far:

Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
Ace of Hearts (1921, starring Lon Chaney)
The Flag: A Story Inspired by the Tradition of Betsy Ross (1927, starring Francis X. Bushman)
The Mysterious Lady (1928, starring Greta Garbo)
The Patsy (1928, starring Marion Davies)
Wild Oranges (1924, starring Frank Mayo)

Peter Vantine, 2001 winner
Camille (1921, starring Rudolph Valentino)

H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
Laugh, Clown, Laugh (1928, starring Lon Chaney)
The Lily (1924, starring Ramon Novarro)

Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
Blood and Sand (1922, starring Rudolph Valentino)
Exit Smiling (1926, starring Beatrice Lillie)
The Rag Man (1925, starring Jackie Coogan)

Michael Picton, 2004 winner
The Red Mill (1926, starring Marion Davies)
The Temptress (1926, starring Greta Garbo)

Marcus Sjowall, 2005 winner
Souls for Sale (1923, starring Eleanor Boardman)

Darrell Raby, 2006 winner
The Show (1927, starring John Gilbert)

James Schafer, 2007 winner
Beau Brummel (1924, starring John Barrymore)

The films in alphabetical order:

Ace of Hearts (1921, starring Lon Chaney) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
Beau Brummel (1924, starring John Barrymore) – Composer: James Schafer, 2007 winner
Blood and Sand (1922, starring Rudolph Valentino) – Composer, Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
Camille (1921, starring Rudolph Valentino) – Composer: Peter Vantine, 2001 winner
Exit Smiling (1926, starring Beatrice Lillie) - Composer, Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
The Flag: A Story Inspired by the Tradition of Betsy Ross (1927, starring Francis X. Bushman) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 winner
Laugh, Clown, Laugh (1928, starring Lon Chaney) – Composer: H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
The Lily (1924, starring Ramon Novarro) - Composer: H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
The Mysterious Lady (1928, starring Greta Garbo) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 winner
The Patsy (1928, starring Marion Davies) - Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
The Rag Man (1925, starring Jackie Coogan) – Composer: Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
The Red Mill (1926, starring Marion Davies) - Composer: Michael Picton, 2004 winner
The Show (1927, starring John Gilbert) – Composer: Darrell Raby, 2006 winner
Souls for Sale (1923, ) – Composer: Marcus Sjowall, 2005 winner
The Temptress (1926, starring Greta Garbo) – Composer: Michael Picton, 2004 winner
Wild Oranges (1924, starring Frank Mayo) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner

The 2000 winner, Vivek Maddala, has his five scores available on CD from his website (http://www.tadcaster.com/vivek/index.html).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2011 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   RodneySauer   (Member)

As the organizer of the Mont Alto Motion Picture Orchestra, I was mentioned in the above discussion, and found my ears burning... Our silent film scores are compiled from libraries of pre-orchestrated "photoplay music," as was usually done by orchestras during the silent era... although it does not have the flexibility of writing your own fresh music, it more than makes up for it in efficiency. Many movie houses had a complete change of program each week, sometimes twice weekly, and it's not humanly possible to compose that much music. It's not so hard to select pieces from the library, then file them again for future use after the film moves on.

Mont Alto has scored over 80 silent films for live performance, and we've recorded over 20 of them. Some of our re-recorded musical cues are available on CD from our web site, and several of the DVDs we've worked on (notably The General and The Mark of Zorro) have features that allow the user to identify the titles and composers of pieces that we used in the score.

Our score for The Thief of Bagdad uses the original cue sheet as a jumping off point, though we replaced pieces that we couldn't find, and some pieces that we could find but didn't want to use for one reason or another. (Cue sheets were intended as suggestions, not binding rules, anyway.) There's plenty of RimskyKorsakoff (including Sheherezade and the Antar suite), but also less well-known oriental music from Gaston Borch, Irenee Berge, Henry Hadley, and others.

If you want to see a scan of the first page of the historic cue sheet, and read my commentary on our musical score, there's a synopsis (which also appears as an extra on the Kino DVD) here:

http://www.mont-alto.com/recordings/ThiefOfBagdad/ThiefCues.html

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 8, 2011 - 11:16 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....It took a lot of poking around on the TCM website, but I think I have a fairly complete list of the films that were re-scored under the Young Film Composers' Competition. It looks like the annual Competition ran from 2000 to 2007. Entrants composed a score to a select scene from a film, and the winner was given the opportunity to score one or more complete films. This looks like the inventory of scored films so far:

Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
Ace of Hearts (1921, starring Lon Chaney)
The Flag: A Story Inspired by the Tradition of Betsy Ross (1927, starring Francis X. Bushman)
The Mysterious Lady (1928, starring Greta Garbo)
The Patsy (1928, starring Marion Davies)
Wild Oranges (1924, starring Frank Mayo)

Peter Vantine, 2001 winner
Camille (1921, starring Rudolph Valentino)

H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
Laugh, Clown, Laugh (1928, starring Lon Chaney)
The Lily (1924, starring Ramon Novarro)

Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
Blood and Sand (1922, starring Rudolph Valentino)
Exit Smiling (1926, starring Beatrice Lillie)
The Rag Man (1925, starring Jackie Coogan)

Michael Picton, 2004 winner
The Red Mill (1926, starring Marion Davies)
The Temptress (1926, starring Greta Garbo)

Marcus Sjowall, 2005 winner
Souls for Sale (1923, starring Eleanor Boardman)

Darrell Raby, 2006 winner
The Show (1927, starring John Gilbert)

James Schafer, 2007 winner
Beau Brummel (1924, starring John Barrymore)

The films in alphabetical order:

Ace of Hearts (1921, starring Lon Chaney) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
Beau Brummel (1924, starring John Barrymore) – Composer: James Schafer, 2007 winner
Blood and Sand (1922, starring Rudolph Valentino) – Composer, Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
Camille (1921, starring Rudolph Valentino) – Composer: Peter Vantine, 2001 winner
Exit Smiling (1926, starring Beatrice Lillie) - Composer, Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
The Flag: A Story Inspired by the Tradition of Betsy Ross (1927, starring Francis X. Bushman) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 winner
Laugh, Clown, Laugh (1928, starring Lon Chaney) – Composer: H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
The Lily (1924, starring Ramon Novarro) - Composer: H. Scott Salinas, 2002 winner
The Mysterious Lady (1928, starring Greta Garbo) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 winner
The Patsy (1928, starring Marion Davies) - Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner
The Rag Man (1925, starring Jackie Coogan) – Composer: Linda Martinez, 2003 winner
The Red Mill (1926, starring Marion Davies) - Composer: Michael Picton, 2004 winner
The Show (1927, starring John Gilbert) – Composer: Darrell Raby, 2006 winner
Souls for Sale (1923, ) – Composer: Marcus Sjowall, 2005 winner
The Temptress (1926, starring Greta Garbo) – Composer: Michael Picton, 2004 winner
Wild Oranges (1924, starring Frank Mayo) – Composer: Vivek Maddala, 2000 Winner

The 2000 winner, Vivek Maddala, has his five scores available on CD from his website (http://www.tadcaster.com/vivek/index.html).....



Thank you for pulling all of this together, Bob!

All of these scores that I've heard have been excellent....and a wonderful tribute to the young composers.

It should be mentioned, unfortunately and sadly, that Linda Martinez, the 2003 winner (under Bernstein's tutelage) was a suicide at 29 in 2005, just two years after her win.

I remember having a short conversation with her at the TCM press screening of her film THE RAG MAN, and thinking how talented she was and anticipating what a future she would have. Shockingly, it was not to be.



Incidentally, THE FLAG, scored by Vivek Maddala is a 20-minute short from 1927, not a feature.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2011 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

In 2004, Criterion issued a restored 155 min. version of Cecil B. DeMille's 1927 first version
of "The King of Kings" on DVD (along with the cut 1928 version as well).
The reissue was enhanced as newly scored then by Donald Sosin. On its initial release in 1927 the film was (and is) silent , however apparently at the time various live instrumentation was used in the theaters.
See his site at:
http://silent-film-music.com/

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2011 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

William Perry's piano scores for THE GOLD RUSH and THE GENERAL are two of the finest ever written.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   igorkovalsky   (Member)

Guys, please, help me. I realy despaired to try to find Jesper Kid's score to the "La passion de Jeanne d'Arc". Can someone tell me, where can I find the score or the movie with this score? I'll be much greatfull for help.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Guys, please, help me. I realy despaired to try to find Jesper Kid's score to the "La passion de Jeanne d'Arc". Can someone tell me, where can I find the score or the movie with this score? I'll be much greatfull for help.

You mean Jesper Kyd, the videogame composer? I wasn't aware that he had done a silent film. Count me intrigued, but I can't help you with your request, sorry.

By the way, as long as this thread is ressurected, let me recommend the new (well, "new" in that it was for the 1999 restoration) score that my good friend, the Norwegian composer Halldor Krogh, composed for the Norwegian silent classic BRUDEFERDEN I HARDANGER / THE BRIDAL VOYAGE (1926), ripe with national romanticism in the modes of Grieg, Svendsen, Bull and others! See and listen to an excerpt here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMI7kka42wI

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   igorkovalsky   (Member)

Yes, the videogame composer, he scored the film for 2007 version. But nowhere I can find it. Maibe it even did not released, I don't know, but even on his oun web page the movie is on the works list.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2014 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   igorkovalsky   (Member)

Halldor Krogh's music on the video is great, by the way)

 
You must log in or register to post.
  Go to page:    
© 2024 Film Score Monthly. All Rights Reserved.
Website maintained and powered by Veraprise and Matrimont.