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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Stagecoach/The Loner
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

I just opened this for my birthday and liked it a lot.

I especially liked "The Loner", which if you're too busy to listen to the sound samples, has a snappy rhythm and melody shape similar to the main title of RIO CONCHOS.

Funny thing: I heard it without reading the liner notes, and when it got to the vocal, I listened and thought, "Wow, Ann-Margaret doesn't sound so hot!"

I bought it when the stock count was dipping low, so you'd better nab it now.

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

You may be interested to know that the theme to The Loner actually derives from a motif that appears briefly in the score to Lonely Are The Brave, specifically from 2:29 into the track Run For It.


N.p. Home In Your Heart: The Best Of Solomon Burke

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2010 - 9:43 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

This was not only the first F.S.M. C.D., but also the very first F.S.M. disc I bought, period!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 1:42 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

"Stagecoach" was not my first purchase from FSM ("The Taking of Pelham One Two Three" was), but it was the first on the FSM label. And it was also my first LP purchase 30 years earlier when I began collecting soundtracks. I still have a fondness for that re-recording, and I don't believe it suffers much in comparison to the original tracks. In fact, I much prefer the song "Stagecoach To Cheyenne" as sung by The Bill Brown Singers as opposed to Wayne Newton.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2010 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

If anyone has a copy they want to trade, let me know!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2012 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

This was my first western score by Goldsmith, picking up the old LP, when I was hoovering up anything that was available by him, after buying his STAR TREK - TMP and ALIEN LP's.
It's probably still my favourite western score by him, due to that 'first love' thing, although I do prefer his Americana/Folk style western scoring (this, WILD ROVERS) over his more aggressive 'latin style' (BANDOLERO, RIO CONCHOS) anyway.
I never knew the old LP was a re-recording, so hearing this CD was a bit of a shock at first.
I actually find that the differences between the two recordings sound more akin to the same score being recorded from different sides of the room. There are details and emphasis on the FSM version that you don't catch on the Mainstream and vice-versa. I edited the two short saloon tracks out of the FSM issue, as they add nothing to my listening experience. Without them, the Goldsmith score runs just under 22 mins on the FSM, while the Mainstream is around 25.
My abso' favourite bit is the opening of Aftermath, and that was because I first heard it in THE LAST HARD MEN (or was it THE CULPEPPER CATTLE COMPANY - both Goldsmith temp-tracked scores?), during a camp-fire hi-jinks scene where someone accidentally gets shot in the ear (I still can't listen to the cue without hearing "You Shot Him In The Ear" bouncing around my brain).
I think LK is a bit harsh in the liner notes, regarding the Mainstream issue, calling it 'the worst recording in history' or somesuch.
I find both recordings essential and find favour with various tracks from both.
For the record, my favourite bit (see above) is much better on the Mainstream.
Still, I guess I'm lucky to have both and the score, in either incarnation, brings back wonderful memories.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2012 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I, too, have both the FSM (OST) and Mainstream (album re-recording) releases, the latter being a purchase in the last year when it appeared cheap enough on Amazon. I'd had that recording for many years on cassette tape and always found the OST release less to my liking.

After 6 years and numerous plays of the OST ... I'm still in favour of the album re-recording. And whilst the Mainstream release is not good quality it is good enough to be quite enjoyable.

As for The Loner ... this is enjoyable - mostly - but I could do without the crass dialogue which really spoils it for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2012 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   jbt9955   (Member)

If anyone has a copy they want to trade, let me know!

I have a copy for trade.

What do you to offer?

Email me at jbt9955@aol.com

Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2012 - 3:21 AM   
 By:   madmovyman   (Member)

I have one for trade, but I'm only looking for La-La 1941 right now.



http://madmovyman.com/emporium/cdlist.html

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2012 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

I guess I never noticed before (or just plain forgot uh-huh) but the gentle, wistful moments in this score, of which there are many, remind me so much of his equally beautiful/nostalgic moments in his FLIM-FLAM MAN score.
Just so gorgeous to listen to.
I've been playin' the shit outta both these CD's this past week (I have no idea what kicked it off - but I've been tearing through Goldsmith westerns like nobody's business since) and I definitely prefer the Mainstream CD for it's more spacious recording and less strident performance. The FSM release is fascinating (captain), with a more direct sound, but can be a bit harsh at times, at least to these ears.
Like I've said, it rules that I have both.
Anyway, carry on trading wink

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2012 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

I found a mint copy of the FSM disc yesterday for less than 5 bucks US. I was aware of the recent LLL upgrade, but for historical reasons, not to mention the price, I had to have it.

Listened a couple of times last night and then watched the movie for the first time ever - top stuff!

I found the sound of the FSM disc to be OK, if not stunning...

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2012 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hey there, Ken G!

It's been months since I've seen a post by you.
Didn't exactly expect you to get into Goldsmith Westerns, but it's nice to hear about your discoveries.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2012 - 6:19 PM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Hi ToneRow!

I've made the odd post over the last few months, and am still buying quite a bit of film music - maybe 7-10 discs a month.

Re. Jerry G., before this year, I think the only music I had of his was "The Planet of the Apes", but now have: "Chinatown", "Logan's Run", "The Man From U.N.C.L.E", "Coma", ""Poltergeist", "The Last Run"/"Crosscurrent", "Hawkins On Murder"/"Babe"/"Winterkill", "The Illustrated Man", "Dr. Kildare", and of course now "Stagecoach"/"The Loner"...

Really enjoying these and film music in general!

 
 Posted:   Nov 6, 2012 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

That's great, Ken G.

You've already got what I consider to be Goldsmith's most innovative scores like "The Illustrated Man" & "Coma".

I'd also suggest a few more Goldsmith mind-blowers such as "Tora! Tora! Tora!" and "The Brotherhood Of The Bell", if you're able to get them.

My favorite Goldsmith Western, by the way, is "100 Rifles". smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2012 - 12:33 AM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Thanks for the hints, ToneRow - I'll be on the lookout for them!

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2012 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Stagecoach is sublime
but the Loner is even better.

 
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