I decided that the first thread became too bloated, so I created a second thread (I won't do it again).
Here is the clip: The ending from The Illusionist. I felt that this was a good clip to choose because of the mystery/drama in the clip and with the 'trick' being revealed. I don't think the scene is too long, you can just pick where the music would start. The music files should be MP3s.
Without sound:
With sound and original score (by Philip Glass):
Prize would be bragging rights.
Deadline is the night of November 11th.
For judging, everyone (and I mean everyone) gets to vote on the top three cues that they liked.
Here is the clip: The ending from The Illusionist.
Without sound:
With respect, this isn't a fair shake for anyone involved. You can't hear the dialogue, and it's integral to the scene, your understanding of it, the film's intentions, and as a result, the music that would be written for it. If you can't provide access to a clean dialogue track, at least be a good music editor and provide your auditioning composers a set of detailed spotting notes.
Here is the clip: The ending from The Illusionist.
Without sound:
With respect, this isn't a fair shake for anyone involved. You can't hear the dialogue, and it's integral to the scene, your understanding of it, the film's intentions, and as a result, the music that would be written for it. If you can't provide access to a clean dialogue track, at least be a good music editor and provide your auditioning composers a set of detailed spotting notes.
I've put up the ending with the dialogue and original score (which can be ignored).
Alright. It's a good choice because Glass' music is not that intrusive. However, it's a bad choice because I would have found it more logical to pick the beginning of a movie (or a specific scene that holds on its own) rather than the ending (climax). Now I have to see the movie again lol.
Alright. It's a good choice because Glass' music is not that intrusive. However, it's a bad choice because I would have found it more logical to pick the beginning of a movie (or a specific scene that holds on its own) rather than the ending (climax). Now I have to see the movie again lol.
Honestly, at first I was glad it was a movie I am familiar with and I love anything involving magicians and I like the time period. But the ending scene is like a wrap up of what's come before, so I just find it difficult to just step in and continue that vibe. Perhaps there are earlier scenes in the movie with a defined beginning and ending that are better suited? Not sure how the rest thinks about it.
Honestly, at first I was glad it was a movie I am familiar with and I love anything involving magicians and I like the time period. But the ending scene is like a wrap up of what's come before, so I just find it difficult to just step in and continue that vibe. Perhaps there are earlier scenes in the movie with a defined beginning and ending that are better suited? Not sure how the rest thinks about it.
I picked this scene because the music is probably the most important in this scene than any other in the movie, plus there are no motifs that are really re-used in the climax that have been worked previously in the movie (in other words, I don't think the movie has any more important musical parts than the ending). I'm sure you could change the score up a little to make sure that the music says the scene has impact (rather than Glass's strings appregios)
Plus, I wanted a decent length for a cue (5 minutes ish). I can understand why you disagree with my choice.
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The scene itself is suitable, but the problem is I expect many people on the board not having seen the movie; if you post a clip of the climax, how can people judge the music when they don't know what is taking place? Maybe something lower key than a movie climax would be better is all I'm saying.
The scene itself is suitable, but the problem is I expect many people on the board not having seen the movie; if you post a clip of the climax, how can people judge the music when they don't know what is taking place? Maybe something lower key than a movie climax would be better is all I'm saying.
Not to be overly critical but I was really hoping you would have selected a clip from something ultra obscure, and ideally something unscored so that we could work with a clip that has all the other sound elements intact. A bit of a paradox perhaps but there are filmmakers who make a choice to leave scenes unscored to create a desired effect.... though I understand finding an appropriate clip may be difficult.
Just my two cents...wondering what the other "contestants" thoughts are...
Jessica Biel does have a lovely bum. looking forward to this, nice break from r&b and hip hop stuff. my ensemble shall consist of 5 timpanis, 2 clarinets, and a banjo. will be the best thing ever since "rite of spring"
Even though I have withdrawn from the challenge, I do think this is a very good clip for the purposes of the contest. I am personally more suited to horror/action/scifi/fantasy/modern/contemporary imagery and content, but I know my strengths and I am not yet skilled enough to tackle period drama and mystery. If I were, I would jump at a chance to give this scene a try, and if you decide to continue with this clip Kevin I'll be very excited to see what others can do with it.
Even though I have withdrawn from the challenge, I do think this is a very good clip for the purposes of the contest. I am personally more suited to horror/action/scifi/fantasy/modern/contemporary imagery and content, but I know my strengths and I am not yet skilled enough to tackle period drama and mystery. If I were, I would jump at a chance to give this scene a try, and if you decide to continue with this clip Kevin I'll be very excited to see what others can do with it.
I agree, it's a great scene and I loved the film. Question: Can anybody provide audio for the scene minus the Philip Glass score? I have saved the "no audio" youtube clip to Quicktime to import into Logic but it would be great to have the audio without the Glass music. Anybody?
The scene itself is suitable, but the problem is I expect many people on the board not having seen the movie; if you post a clip of the climax, how can people judge the music when they don't know what is taking place? Maybe something lower key than a movie climax would be better is all I'm saying.
The scene itself is suitable, but the problem is I expect many people on the board not having seen the movie; if you post a clip of the climax, how can people judge the music when they don't know what is taking place? Maybe something lower key than a movie climax would be better is all I'm saying.
This goes to my point above about spotting notes. All film composers require clear parameters before they dive into the actual composing. They sit down with the director, producer and picture editor (or some combination of this trio) and are given key moments (via timecode or, in the old days, film footage count) where their music must accentuate the drama. On top of this, lines of dialogue and important shot changes are noted. It's all written out so the work can be approached carefully and in context of the intent.
I think you might consider offering these, Kevin. This isn't meant as a slight to your having chosen this clip. I've participated in many spotting sessions and on features particularly there's so much at work in the fabric of the narrative that this kind of context and info is always a benefit to a composer - even those who haven't necessarily composed to picture before they took the gig.
I think what we're doing is either scoring the silent version, or re-scoring the film and treating the Philip Glass as a temp track which we can ignore if we so choose.
Well... I'm a composer and I must admit that music did not spring immediately into my mind when I looked at the clip... although the word "mustard" did. Can't think why.
The challenge is a fun idea, but a clip without context is just a bunch of pretty pictures. Sure you could score that, but doing so would remove the intellectual backbone of film scoring, indeed the whole point of it. Maybe a short but complete 5 minute film would be best next time.
