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I don't get how the love theme from Superman sounded too much like the 1970's that it needed to be 2000'd up.
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It's nothing against Ottman at all, really. Just a strange thing to say, that the Superman music was antiquated at all.
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I've been playing a lot of John Ottman's music the past couple of days -- after playing the CD of Abel Korzeniowski's "Romeo And Juliet," I found myself longing to hear Ottman's wonderful score for "Incognito" and I wanted to share the frustration I encountered in trying to buy that soundtrack. So, while searching here for Ottman I found this discussion from over 3 years ago and was startled to learn of the history of the defective masters for that score. What a nightmare for Ottman!
I originally saw "Incognito" on cable many many years ago and immediately bought the DVD. In the special features was a list of all the cues on the RCA soundtrack and we could play "The Creation," the heart of the score, and I immediately went looking for it, haunting record stores in Southern California and even placing an order for it at one of them, although they finally refunded my deposit because they were unable to find it. When I got my first iPod in 2003 I transferred some of the music from the DVD, including "The Creation," to a CD-R and then to my iTunes, but continued to long for the entire soundtrack. One day, while going through music CDs at Amazon, I came across "Incognito" and ordered it, but it turned out to be a rock group by that name, and, unfamiliar with how easy it was to return unopened things to Amazon, kept it. So I was careful to make sure the next CD I ordered had the proper graphics from the film. But, alas, what I got was another copy of the DVD. Years later I exchanged email with a kind gentleman at movie music.com, who said he would try to find the "Incognito" soundtrack CD for me, and he eventually did, and it certainly sounded fine to me when I listened to it. In the end, I must have spent over $50 for that one [defective?) soundtrack.
"Incognito" remains a favorite film of mine (star Jason Patric is excellent as the art forger, although he created old-looking works rather than copying specific paintings), and Ottman and director John Badham are terrific on the audio commentary (Ottman also edited the film). Incidentally, I was pleased to find that they too weren't that happy with the painting that was supposed to be Patric's attempt to paint his own original portraits rather than creating others in the style of the masters. Would have loved to have seen "Incognito" (and heard that wonderful score) in a large theatre!
https://soundcloud.com/ron-hardcastle/the-creation
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Re: Staight from the horse's (Ottman's) mouth [excerpts from official website]:
When we began mixing the score at Blowtorch Flats (Basil Poledouris' studio) in Venice, we discovered a disastrous problem in the score. Static was popping up from track to track throughout. It was discovered to have been a Dolby card problem when the score was recorded. We began dodging and ducking static, until it was just not working anymore. We then sent mixed cues to a digital specialist to remove the static. Unfortunately, frequency ranges were removed as well. It was heartbreaking. The mix dragged on as I was being sent dailies to Apt Pupil, which didn't exactly relax me. Finally, we found a new digital technique to remove the elusive pops and crackles without sacrificing fidelity. It was mastered a little more brightly than I wanted (which will always disturb me), but in the end the score was saved. Then the movie went straight to video. Actually it's on DVD now as well with John Badham, the writer and me blabbing away on the alternate track. I have no idea if I sound like an idiot or not.
In preparing the Cruel Intentions album, I discovered a digital audio tape of my original mastered mixes for Incognito. When I heard the tape, I was excited to hear that these were the way I had intended the soundtrack album to sound. We had some pops and crackles throughout the recording of Incognito from a defective Dolby card in our control room. This is why, prior to the album's mastering, that the cues were passed through a sonic filtering device to remove these glitches. The frequency range was compromised from the original recording and then brightened. But the tape I discovered was the original mastered recording prior to this filtering process, and the sound is beautiful. Who cares about a subtle pop here and there. I'd rather hear the pure recording as I remembered.
So this Cruel Intention CD contains three cues from Incognito which have been resurrected from the original mastered tapes of the score. It is the only available way to hear these cues as I originally intended them to sound on the album. I would love to release a new CD of the entire score with the original mastering. But at least you get to hear three cues for now!
I stumbled across this in the wee hours and went to Amazon and bought the above "Cruel Intentions" CD and it will be interesting to compare the 3 cues from "Incognito" with the supposedly imperfect RCA version I've owned for several years. Been buying a lot of Ottman lately, including the expanded 2-CD set of "Superman Returns" as well as some older scores like "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang" and "Fantastic 4" to add to my growing Ottman collection.
Re: "...with John Badham, the writer and me blabbing away on the alternate track. I have no idea if I sound like an idiot or not." Well, Ottman DOESN'T sound like an idiot on the audio commentary of "Incognito," and I love that in addition to his magical score, he also beautifully edited that movie, still a favorite of mine.
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I received the "Cruel Intentions" CD with its 3 cues from Ottman's "Incognito," and they sound great! (Will need to do an A/B comparison with the ones from the RCA original recording to see how they differ.) Have been listening to my John Ottman playlist, now over 7 hours long, which starts with the 3 re-done cues from "Incognito" and then the rest of the "Cruel Intentions" CD, and so far it's been a delight. (I included all the NON-John Williams cues from both releases of "Superman Returns," plus "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang," "Fantastic Four," the entire "Incognito," and more.)
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I received the "Cruel Intentions" CD with its 3 cues from Ottman's "Incognito," and they sound great! (Will need to do an A/B comparison with the ones from the RCA original recording to see how they differ.) Have been listening to my John Ottman playlist, now over 7 hours long, which starts with the 3 re-done cues from "Incognito" and then the rest of the "Cruel Intentions" CD, and so far it's been a delight. (I included all the NON-John Williams cues from both releases of "Superman Returns," plus "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang," "Fantastic Four," the entire "Incognito," and more.)
I'm a fan of Incognito, shrill sound aside, but 7 hours in a row of Ottman? I don't think I could handle that, but more power to ye.
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Shaun: I don't think that I wrote that I was going to listen to all of it in one sitting! Am now in the middle of "Cruel Intentions" itself and will probably put it aside until I take one of my walks. I have some playlists that are 10 or more hours long, but often start in the middle of them -- must have well over 200 playlists! But must say that Ottman's "Cruel Intentions" is hypnotic!
Over 90 minutes later after writing the above and I'm still listening to Ottman ... #60 of 130! "Hypnotic" was the right word!
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Was playing some of the revised "Incognito" today while I've been home-bound because of back problems, and this wonderful John Ottman music has helped get me through this. Would love for La-La-Land or Intrada to give us a proper "Incognito"!!! In the meantime, the hot "Cruel Intentions" collection will have to suffice and I very much recommend it! Very much worth the price! (But NOT at $34.99!)
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