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 Posted:   Jul 15, 2013 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

This maybe Varese's crowning achievement, what a glorious set. I have been waiting years for this one- Bravo, Varese. Ordered a few copies. WOW!


I can hardly believe it has been 3 years since this was released. It is still a glorious set, however, I have only played it a few times in three years. In retrospect I would have preferred just the score and with better sound. The stereo disc is good, but to loud and the same goes for the mono disc to loud and S/N ratio on both not to good.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I'm happy with the Spartacus set, until such time as a complete all-stereo version shows up. It remains a much better value and less of a vanity project than that crummy, $500+ "limited edition" from around the same time. You know the one, with the tinny packaging that often dented or broke in shipping and the fall-to-bits zoetrope, risible mp3 stick and worthless "surprise" bonus disc that was cobbled together at the last minute to appease those who had been forced to wait months to receive their order. Spartacus, by comparison, is value-packed! And as for Spartacus being marked down in price by a few dollars... the other set is still being sold (or should I say unsold?) new on Amazon, AT $200 OFF!
Ironic if people who praise the preposterous Elfman set are amongst those being critical of Townson's far more noble effort.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


The stereo disc is good, but to loud and the same goes for the mono disc to loud and S/N ratio on both not to good.


Sorry?

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

The stereo disc is good, but to loud and the same goes for the mono disc to loud and S/N ratio on both not to good.

I'm very fortunate in that I have a VOLUME control on my stereo system, If it's too loud, turn it down. It works for me.

 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

It's probably worth noting that the 2-disc OST part of this release is available for download. I noticed it on Spotify recently. I dunno if it's lossless, but it IS therefore available separately.

Is it? There are numerous Spartacus albums on Spotify (including one spelled Sparticus), but most of them are the 11-tracks MCA album. The only longer version I can find appears to be the first two discs from the Soundtrack Library b**tl*g release (comparing with the listing on Sountrack Collector's site at http://soundtrackcollector.com/title/2695/Spartacus), minus one track. None of the Varese set's premiere track listings seem to come up on Spotify (eg "Luceria Camp") whereas the titles and times of the SLC b**tl*g correspond entirely.




Erratum. Yes, I checked again, and it's the old SL release. My error.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

The stereo disc is good, but to loud and the same goes for the mono disc to loud and S/N ratio on both not to good.

I'm very fortunate in that I have a VOLUME control on my stereo system, If it's too loud, turn it down. It works for me.


Maybe his system goes up to 11.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 16, 2013 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   mrchriswell   (Member)

The stereo disc is good, but to loud and the same goes for the mono disc to loud and S/N ratio on both not to good.

I'm very fortunate in that I have a VOLUME control on my stereo system, If it's too loud, turn it down. It works for me.


Maybe his system goes up to 11.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 28, 2014 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Have a Question???

The theme heard in "Source Music #1" is so beautiful is it meant as a love theme for Crassus and Varinia" and is it developed anywhere in the "Spartacus" score??

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 12:12 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

the price of the box set has dropped $22 from $109.98 to $88.98:

http://www.varesesarabande.com/servlet/the-14/Spartacus/Detail



Wake me when it gets to $40, will you? Thanks. zzzzzzzzzz

smile


I wrote this of course in jest, but it happened recently that a second hand copy became available on Amazon for $40 and I snapped it up. It was described as fair condition with some damaged artwork. In the event I couldn't find any damaged artwork, but neither could I find Disc 1 or the DVD. I promptly contacted the seller, who profusely apologised, immediately refunded all my filthy lucre, including postage, and told me to keep what I had. So now I have a set with Discs 2,3 & 4, the "love theme" disc, and the booklet. I've certainly come out ahead, but I'm just not sure how far ahead. The more I play discs 2 & 3 the more I miss the glorious stereo sound of the original presentation. It's somewhat like watching the film in pan & scan. It just seems so cramped.

(Listening on headphones).

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 12:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Ouch. That sounds tricky. Can't you get a CD-R of the first disc or something?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Actually I already have the first 4 discs in MP3 format--and as litle said about that the better (Shhh..)

My aim in buying this set was to

a) own a legitimate copy,

b) check out the booklet and maybe browse through the DVD,

c) Eliminate the false track breaks that are a part and pain of the MP3 format.

Aside from all that I have a couple of comments about Disc 1. I know there's a licensing agreement involved here, but it's a great pity they couldn't have used the original tracks rather than the 'soundtrack' elements. The original Main Title is considerably more dynamic with more prominent snare drum--just more exciting. The Overture sounds somewhat better straight off the Criterion or Blu Ray discs than as presented here--not sure why. Apart from that, anyone buying this set will surely already own the soundtrack album, so it would have been nice to have alternative takes.

I appreciate what Varese have done here but for me this will never be the definite Spartacus. If ever a score needed the width and space to breath of stereo it's this one. Those who are satisfied with mono, be satisfied and good luck to you, but for me it's just an archival format until the real thing comes along.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)



Aside from all that I have a couple of comments about Disc 1. I know there's a licensing agreement involved here, but it's a great pity they couldn't have used the original tracks rather than the 'soundtrack' elements. The original Main Title is considerably more dynamic with more prominent snare drum--just more exciting. The Overture sounds somewhat better straight off the Criterion or Blu Ray discs than as presented here--not sure why. Apart from that, anyone buying this set will surely already own the soundtrack album, so it would have been nice to have alternative takes.

I appreciate what Varese have done here but for me this will never be the definite Spartacus. If ever a score needed the width and space to breath of stereo it's this one. Those who are satisfied with mono, be satisfied and good luck to you, but for me it's just an archival format until the real thing comes along.



Agree with your comments about the Overture and especially the Main title. The mono is better than nothing but the set unfortunately misses the mark. Does anyone know what happened to the stereo masters?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

It would have been great to have a re-recording of this.

Karol

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

I've scanned through this thread, and gleaned some of the praise this set deserves.

This project is, yes, "overambitious", but that's the point. Robert Townson was, come hell-or-high-water, oath-bound to deliver this score in the purest form he could deliver it. The extras are certainly not desultory, yet they don't deliver a deeper exploration of the themes and motifs.

That said, the true significance of this set is: (1) It is the most ambitious single-score presentation ever. And as you may have noticed since its release in 2010, the acceptance and purchase of deluxe packages from the monumental cinema classics has increased, due mainly to Lukas Kendall following Townson's lead (or was Townson following Kendall's?).

(2) The original SPARTACUS score is now archived in a format that is now "download ready", awaiting a time when the re-discovery of the film raises demand from new initiates to obtain the score "a-la-carte" or in its entirety.

There's more quality and significance in this package than many realize.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)



(2) The original SPARTACUS score is now archived in a format that is now "download ready", awaiting a time when the re-discovery of the film raises demand from new initiates to obtain the score "a-la-carte" or in its entirety.



Please advise exactly what this means. Is the complete score actually available in stereo? Since this is just about my favorite score I've purchase every conceivable version out there including all the boots and well as legitimate releases.

 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

"The original SPARTACUS score is now archived in a format that is now "download ready", awaiting a time when the re-discovery of the film raises demand from new initiates to obtain the score "a-la-carte" or in its entirety."

Please advise exactly what this means. Is the complete score actually available in stereo? Since this is just about my favorite score I've purchase every conceivable version out there including all the boots and well as legitimate releases.


Unfortunately, Paul, "download ready" does not equate to "download available".

I meant that, though the financial incentive to put the stereo tracks online doesn't yet exist, if streaming or download traffic of the movie ever spikes up, the score is in a format suitable for the demand this could create.

With the Entertainment Corporation/Broadband-Cable world in flux, these mega-businesses will have to see accurate viewing metrics to make that call.

As it is, an esteemed classic like SPARTACUS is just marginal activity for a media conglomerate like NBC/Universal.

Sad, but that's why we should appreciate Townson's efforts even more.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 29, 2014 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)



Unfortunately, Paul, "download ready" does not equate to "download available".

I meant that, though the financial incentive to put the stereo tracks online doesn't yet exist, if streaming or download traffic of the movie ever spikes up, the score is in a format suitable for the demand this could create.

With the Entertainment Corporation/Broadband-Cable world in flux, these mega-businesses will have to see accurate viewing metrics to make that call.

As it is, an esteemed classic like SPARTACUS is just marginal activity for a media conglomerate like NBC/Universal.

Sad, but that's why we should appreciate Townson's efforts even more.



From years of correspondence with Townson I'm aware of his 'love' for this score. Townson obviously worked hard to bring his Spartacus release to market. From what you are saying this stereo 'ready' may never be released but it is good to know that it does exist.(I guess the rumors of a few years ago were true).

 
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