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 Posted:   Mar 30, 2010 - 2:22 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

PRIVATE HELL 36 Music by Leith Stevens

This album has an interesting history. In 1954, at the time of the film’s release, Stevens re-recorded eight selections from the film, which were released on a 10” LP on Coral Records CRL-56122. These tracks were recorded in mono.

In 1959, in the heat of TV’s detective and cop show craze, especially PETER GUNN with its wildly popular jazz score by Henry Mancini, Coral Records decided to release an LP called JAZZ THEMES FOR COPS AND ROBBERS. It was released in mono (CRL-57283) and stereo (CRL-757283). It featured four new stereo recordings of the themes from the TV series M SQUAD, THE THIN MAN, PERRY MASON, and PETER GUNN, plus the eight tracks from PRIVATE HELL 36.

In order to be able to legitimately market the LP as stereo, without resorting to phony “electronic reprocessing”, new percussion tracks, recorded in stereo, were overdubbed onto the eight mono PRIVATE HELL 36 tracks. The result is that the music from the 1954 recording stays in the middle of the stereo image, while various other added instruments such as bongos, cymbals, tambourine, and vibes appear in the left or right speakers. A clue that these are indeed new overdubs is the fact that no vibes player is named in the list of musicians found in the liner notes, which were simply reprinted from the back of the10” LP.

This stereo LP was reissued in Spain in 1986 by Fresh Sound Records, as Coral CRL 57283, and in 2005 as a CD, FSR 2201.


 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2010 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

That is a very interesting tidbit that I never knew! Thanks!

Now, the big question:

Are the tunes improved with the additional overdubs, or do they really sound pasted on?

I'm assuming that because LS recorded four new tunes for this album, he must have been involved in the overdubs.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2010 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

And the other big question:

Did the overdubs show up on the mono 12" LP?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2010 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Actually, the overdubs are truly in the spirit of the original recording, and work quite well. It would be hard to say which version is "better," the original or the one with the overdubs. They're both good in their own ways. It's a matter of personal taste. As to the extra four tracks of TV themes, I don't think Stevens was involved with those. I don't have the LP in front of me, but I think they were arranged by Johnny Mandel, and my guess would be that it was he who worked on the PRIVATE HELL 36 overdubs, but this is only speculation. As to your question about the mono version of JAZZ THEMES FOR COPS AND ROBBERS, it uses the original MONO master of the PRIVATE HELL 36 cuts without the overdubs.

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2010 - 10:27 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I'm listening to FSR 2201 (CD release), on which PRIVATE HELL shares the disk with THE WILD ONE. The sound is wide and deep, with instrumental performances well defined. It sounds like stereo to me, but I would not bet the farm on "stereo vs. mono." I would add that there are 9 tracks rather than 8 for PRIVATE HELL. I didn't notice anything in your discussion, Jim, regarding the extra track. What's up with that?

One other observation -- "Fresh Sound Records" also has an amazingly good sounding MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM, far better than any LP or other CD version of the music I've heard. SWEET SMELL OF SUCCESS is exceptionally good sounding as well. This label does seriously fine work on their vintage jazz recordings, from what I've heard so far. PRIVATE HELL is a great listen!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2010 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

The song "Didn't You Know" by Ida Lupino, which was not on the LPs, is the extra track on the CD. I don't know where that originally came from.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2010 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks for this info. Both the 10" and 12" albums have eluded me, although I have one track on a Rhino Crime Jazz comp and other Leith Stevens in my collection. Being that I love vibes and percussion, it looks like the 12" is the way to go!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2010 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Dana Wilcox:

Now my curiosity is aroused. I have ordered the WILD ONE/PRIVATE HELL 36 CD on Fresh Sounds.

By the way, Fresh Sounds also reissued Stevens' jazzy/big band score from HELL TO ETERNITY on LP around 1989. That one didn't sound as good. It sounds like that had to master it from a vinyl copy, and they used a little too much noise suppression so that you end up with that sort of "pumping" sound.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2010 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Just joined this thread and went over to Fresh Sounds Records website and found the Pete Rugolo Thriller/Richard Diamond CD. I'm a Rugolo fan and somehow missed this. Does anyone have it and have any comments about it? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2010 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Just joined this thread and went over to Fresh Sounds Records website and found the Pete Rugolo Thriller/Richard Diamond CD. I'm a Rugolo fan and somehow missed this. Does anyone have it and have any comments about it? Thanks.

If you like Rugolo I'm sure you'll like this album. The tracks from THRILLER connect to specific segments Rugolo scored, including "The Hungry Glass" and "Voodoo Man" (two of my favorite episodes). They are quite jazzy (though there is a nice dose of low-key underscore here and there) and not likely to be confused with actual tracks from the shows. The RICHARD DIAMOND tracks are more generic. Soundtrack Collector alludes to an LP release in 1960, and in fact the liner notes include a short piece by Boris Karloff! Sound quality is about what you'd expect from 1960, full stereo, not bad really. Liner notes specifically address each track. Track listing is as follows:

1. Theme from "Thriller" (01:33)
2. The Hungry Glass (04:14)
3. Voodoo Man (02:55)
4. The Guilty Men (03:06)
5. Girl with a Secret (02:24)
6. The Purple Room (02:40)
7. Twisted Image (01:47)
8. Rose's Last Summer (02:42)
9. Worse than Murder (02:04)
10. Child's Play (02:13)
11. Finger of Fear (03:31)
12. The Man in the Middle (02:55)
Tracks 1-12 are from Thriller
13. Richard Diamond Theme (01:46)
14. Diamond on the Move (02:35)
15. Fancy Meeting Karen (03:27) (Love Theme From Richard Diamond)
16. I'm Always Chasing Butterflies (02:16)
17. Who's Sam (02:31)
18. All Star (02:37)
19. The Teaser (01:32)
20. Ye Olde Curiosity Shape (03:27)
21. Teen Age Rock (02:09)
22. The Sleeve Job (02:12)
23. Does Mama Know You're Out? (02:10)
24. Richard Diamond's Blues (02:50)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 7:53 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



The RICHARD DIAMOND tracks are more generic.



This album is HARDLY generic.




Sound quality is about what you'd expect from 1960, full stereo, not bad really.



Mercury Living Presence albums from the late 50s/early 60s are among the best sounding recordings ever done. "Not bad" is an understatement. Would that digital recordings sound as good.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   workingwithknives   (Member)

Mercury Living Presence albums from the late 50s/early 60s are among the best sounding recordings ever done. "Not bad" is an understatement. Would that digital recordings sound as good.

I was going to mention that myself then thought what the hell's the point in doing so.

You know the old Mercury LPs are top quality and I know it and anyone else with a real knowledge of vinyl recordings knows it and that's good enough for me.

I like the smell of the late 50's Mercury LPs. I can spot one with my eyes closed by the smell of the vinyl.

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



I like the smell of the late 50's Mercury LPs. I can spot one with my eyes closed by the smell of the vinyl.

smile


That is TOO funny - I have noticed that too about Mercury LPs from that era, they almost smell like acetate. God knows what they mixed into the vinyl.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

RE: Rugolo CD.

Thanks guys. I just wanted to see if there were any concerns about the sound quality I should be aware of and what you thought of the music, even though I'm going to buy it anyway. Doesn't hurt to get some input.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)



The RICHARD DIAMOND tracks are more generic.

This album is HARDLY generic.


I used the term "generic" to contrast the presentation of the RICHARD DIAMOND music ("chase music", etc.) to the "episode-specific" presentation of the THRILLER tracks. Obviously you missed my meaning.

Sound quality is about what you'd expect from 1960, full stereo, not bad really.

Mercury Living Presence albums from the late 50s/early 60s are among the best sounding recordings ever done. "Not bad" is an understatement. Would that digital recordings sound as good.


Well, that was then and this is now. I was discussing the CD I have, not the LP you used to have. Obviously you'd be happier with your LP, so stick with that!

Your condescending tone is uncalled for, incidentally.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Your condescending tone is uncalled for, incidentally.


Well, you're not getting my (dashingly handsome) facial expressions and pleasant tone of voice on the interwebz.

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

See Recordman # 69
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=45200&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)



Your condescending tone is uncalled for, incidentally.


Well, you're not getting my (dashingly handsome) facial expressions and pleasant tone of voice on the interwebz.


That's okay, I'm over it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Your condescending tone is uncalled for, incidentally.


Well, you're not getting my (dashingly handsome) facial expressions and pleasant tone of voice on the interwebz.


That's okay, I'm over it.


I'm still coming over for Easter, right?

 
 Posted:   Apr 3, 2010 - 12:23 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)



Your condescending tone is uncalled for, incidentally.


Well, you're not getting my (dashingly handsome) facial expressions and pleasant tone of voice on the interwebz.


That's okay, I'm over it.


I'm still coming over for Easter, right?


Yeah, but you're bringing the booze!

 
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