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 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Recently heard an interview where Jerry Goldsmith mentioned what he thought should have won Best Original Score of 1999 at the Academy Awards. He said he thought it was the Best out of all nominated and was happy it won.

He actually picked the winner which was

THE RED VIOLIN John Corigliano


I never saw the film, but my personal favorite and pick would have been John Williams for ANGELA'S ASHES.


Here is the complete list of nominees for Best Original Score 1999:

Original Score Thomas Newman, American Beauty
John Williams, Angela's Ashes
Rachel Portman, The Cider House Rules
John Corigliano, The Red Violin
Gabriel Yared, The Talented Mr. Ripley


What score would you have voted for?

Thanks,


Zoob

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 12:09 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

I agree with Goldsmith. They made the right decision that year. Although, based on the way he reacted when John Corigliano was announced as the winner, I think Thomas Newman felt that the Oscar belonged to him.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   spanosdm   (Member)

Angela's Ashes has my vote as well.
I don't care for The Red Violin.

As for Thomas Newman, I seem to recall a similar reaction when he lost for A Series of Unfortunate Events.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 3:44 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Actually it would be very nice to see Thomas Newman reactions.

The Red Violin deserved it

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

In retrospect, judging by the score's popularity and influence, I think AMERICAN BEAUTY would have been the deserved win. But it's easy to say now.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 6:35 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

Popularity and influence most certainly would NOT have made "American Beauty" the deserved winner! By that reasoning, John Williams would have Oscars for "Superman", plus one or more of each of the "Indiana Jones" and "Harry Potter" films. Just because the Oscars has been reduced to nothing more than a ratings-based popularity contest doesn't make any of the people who win based on that criteria deserving. The score for "The Red Violin" is neither popular or influential, yet the reasons it won are just as valid now as they were ten years ago.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   The Man-Eating Cow   (Member)

In all honesty, AMERICAN BEAUTY really was my favorite of the five nominees. But THE RED VIOLIN is a close, close second. (A few years ago, when I was on a road trip and away from my CD collection, I actually bought a second copy of THE RED VIOLIN because I had to hear it RIGHT THEN AND NOW...geeze, talk about impulsive...)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Popularity and influence most certainly would NOT have made "American Beauty" the deserved winner! By that reasoning, John Williams would have Oscars for "Superman", plus one or more of each of the "Indiana Jones" and "Harry Potter" films. Just because the Oscars has been reduced to nothing more than a ratings-based popularity contest doesn't make any of the people who win based on that criteria deserving. The score for "The Red Violin" is neither popular or influential, yet the reasons it won are just as valid now as they were ten years ago.

Yeah, sure, there are many reasons for why a score should be given an Academy Award (and THE RED VIOLIN works like gangbusters in the movie) but in retrospect one always wishes the score that turned out to be massively influential to get some recognition at the time. Of course, one can't foresee what will become influential or not, so it's not really something we can blame them for. Just fan wishing.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I never saw the film, but my personal favorite and pick would have been John Williams for ANGELA'S ASHES.

I highly recommend the film. I don't really know what I could compare it too, since it is so unlike any other movie. But I think anybody with a love of music would find the film absolutely captivating.

And I had not heard that Goldsmith felt Corigliano's score deserved the Oscar. I do know that Corigliano is a huge admirer of Goldsmith.


What score would you have voted for?

Well, I love Angela's Ashes, but I would have voted for The Red Violin. Corigliano's music was not only an "underscore" but an integral, foreground component of the story itself, functioning as dramatic as well as source music (in some instances simultaneously). It was thematically strong, and stylistically eclectic, spanning 18th century, romantic and 20th century styles, as well as an aside to gypsy music and the vulgar accordions of Mao's dictatorship.

But, despite the fact he won an Oscar, I kind of feel that Corigliano isn't adequately recognized for his work on the film. I think most audiences assumed the characters are just playing classical music. And on the CD disc itself, Joshua Bell, Esa-Peka Salonen and the Philharmonia are credited...but Corigliano's name is completely absent!

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I was an intern at Lionsgate (when it was spelled as two words, Lions Gate) at the time they were releasing "The Red Violin," and this reminded me of an amusing anecdote.

The soundtrack CD for the film had been released by Sony Classical. When Corigiliano accepted his award, instead of thanking his CD label, or the company that released the film (and mounted a nice little "for your consideraton" campaign for his score) he instead accidentally thanked Sony Pictures Classics -- a different film releasing company that had nothing to do with the movie or his Oscar win!

Boy were we interns miffed! Miffed, I tell you!

(--Not really, but it does show you how unpredictable showbiz can be.)

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2010 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

How did Newman react exactly? Did he just look really pissed off?

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I think THE RED VIOLIN deserved the Academy Award. I think AMERICAN BEAUTY deserved the Academy Award.

If pressed today, I'd say AMERICAN BEAUTY deserved it slightly more. I agree with Thor, it was more influential and broke new ground. THE RED VIOLIN is a wonderful score as well though, and it is vital to the movie.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

How did Newman react exactly? Did he just look really pissed off?

Thomas Newman's score was excellent, and if he was disappointed, it was certainly understandable. (Though I would not interpret too much into facial expressions here...)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQZbt4GZ18

(Embedding does not work for some reason)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think THE RED VIOLIN deserved the Academy Award. I think AMERICAN BEAUTY deserved the Academy Award.

If pressed today, I'd say AMERICAN BEAUTY deserved it slightly more. I agree with Thor, it was more influential and broke new ground. THE RED VIOLIN is a wonderful score as well though, and it is vital to the movie.


In my earlier post, I forgot to say that ANGELA'S ASHES is unquestionably my favourite of the lot, though. In fact, it's one of my alltime favourite John Williams scores, and that's saying a lot, coming from me. But I still maintain that AMERICAN BEAUTY should have won for its 'groundbreaking' sound. Easy to say in retrospect, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I thought Newman should have been nominated for THE PLAYER. AMERICAN BEAUTY's score always seemed to me a rehash of it but the film was more popular and so it goes. THE RED VIOLIN for me in 1999 also.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The Oscars are bollocks. They reflect the opinions of who exactly? More importantly though, in the long run, who cares?

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

The Matrix by Don Davis

oh wait

Fight Club by the Dust Brothers

oh wait

The Phantom Menace by John Williams

oh wait

The Mummy by Jerry Goldsmith

oh wait

The Iron Giant by Michael Kamen


 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

The Oscars are bollocks. They reflect the opinions of who exactly? More importantly though, in the long run, who cares?

Well the initial 5 nominees are determined by composers who are in the Academy. John Williams, Thomas Newman, Alexandre Desplat, Lalo Schifrin, Michael Giacchino, Danny Elfman, Quincy Jones, Hans Zimmer, James Newton Howard, Charles Fox are all members. The winner is determined by the whole Academy which is where many have problems. But as I Always remind, they cannot pick less than number 5 of all those composer's top picks.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)



The Mummy by Jerry Goldsmith



Too bad the 1999 "The Mummy" was so poorly received. Fortunately, the Tadlow "Mummy" suite helps to demonstrate anew what a terrific score this really is and deserved an Oscar nomination.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2017 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   Merkel   (Member)

Still, what a great line up of nominated scores

 
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