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 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Mobius1   (Member)

Just recieved Henry Mancini's limited edition release of 'Santa Claus: The Movie' soundtrack. Upon further inspection, it turns out the tracks are lossy.

Anyone know the source of the CD (tapes, vinyl, etc).


Spectral view of Track 3:
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2527/sctm.th.jpg

Spectral view of Track 3 (zoomed):
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1616/sctmzoomed.th.jpg

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EDIT: I've just had an audio specialist confirm that the disc is mastered using low-bitrate lossy encoding, shame frown

I opened the discussion with audio experts here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=78251

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Saved myself some money.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

According to http://www.moviegrooves.com/singular-soundtrack-cd-reissues/santa-claus-the-movie-soundtrack-henry-mancini-cd.html it was "mastered from the original mastertapes."

So someone screwed that up again? Well, waiting for the confirmation of repressing or anything to correct the error, until then I won't buy anything else from their catalogue.


btw, it would be much more helpful to mention similar defect in the thread title to drag more attention and warn everyone who is thinking about buying it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Mobius1   (Member)

btw, it would be much more helpful to mention similar defect in the thread title to drag more attention and warn everyone who is thinking about buying it.

Done smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I'm surprised that there are not a lot of responses, considering the popularity of the score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

I

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

And, of course, have been commended by the sound quality of all our CD's by many collectors and professionals in the film music business. Lost film music is not an easy task. I wish you saw the state in which they find very many tapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

I shall ask EMI and Studio Infinity about the transfer and mastering process and will report soon.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Marko   (Member)

Jose, you have nothing to apologize for.

Unfortunately it's common for people to start looking for problems, accusing, criticizing and complaining before they even hear from the producers of the CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Imperialsound   (Member)

Thank you for your answers Jose.
Too bad that there is no lossless source for this scorefrown
One can clearly hear that it is lossy when the cymbals play (at the beginning from Christmas Rhapsody).
The spectral analyse shows that it probabely comes from an 160kb mp3.
How can it be that the masters are such compromised?
I'm dissapointed. Not about the work you put in this release, but that it isn't possible to have it in real good quality sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:26 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Wasn't Santa Claus a digital recording? I seem to remember it was implied on the Making of by Mancini himself (something along the lines of "we have this great new digital set up here at CTS").

I actually thought it might have been a straight vinyl transfer just on the back of the KAJA song being tracklisted on the CD! Glad Jose has proven us wrong.

I am really satisfied with the sound quality, because I way prefer the dry and clean sounding recording style of Richard Lewzey over say Eric Tomlinson's recording of Lifeforce (which I find to distractingly hissy and inconsistent). This is of course just my opinion.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

I do not have the tapes. As I said, the tracks were in the archives of EMI Music Spain since 1985 and gave them to me through an FTP. The sound was not exactly great (very sharp sound), but I think the results achieved are very good. I will ask Pablo Baselga, the engineer, who used restoring programs, as well as EMI and proceeded to transfer analog.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Just recieved Henry Mancini's limited edition release of 'Santa Claus: The Movie' soundtrack. Upon further inspection, it turns out the tracks are lossy.

Anyone know the source of the CD (tapes, vinyl, etc).


Spectral view of Track 3:
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2527/sctm.th.jpg

Spectral view of Track 3 (zoomed):
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1616/sctmzoomed.th.jpg

--------------------------------------------------------------

EDIT: I've just had an audio specialist confirm that the disc is mastered using low-bitrate lossy encoding, shame frown

I opened the discussion with audio experts here: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=78251


Yes, I certainly try to stay clear of lossy masters.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   zip-zap-pow!   (Member)

I do not have the tapes. As I said, the tracks were in the archives of EMI Music Spain since 1985 and gave them to me through your FTP. The state was not exactly great, but I think the results achieved are very good. I will ask Paul Baselga, the engineer, who used programs, as well as EMI and proceeded to transfer analog.

Well, for what it's worth I've had this CD on my car CD player all week now...

... and I think it sounds fantastic!

Big thanks to you and your colleagues, José for the effort put in to bringing this release out smile

I for one certainly appreciate it - and it sounds like you've done the very best you could for this release.

Thank You.

-John.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   zip-zap-pow!   (Member)

I just received this email about a topic in FSM. I'm pretty upset, and I would like to start talking about my label that is ABSOLUTELY LEGAL. I teach my contract with EMI MUSIC SPAIN. I can also FTP files show where EMI sent the tracks extracted from the master who kept from the Spanish edition in 1985. It was mastered at Infinity Studio by Pedro Baselga, a professional technician, who used various compression programs to reduce the blow and the imperfections that have the files. But, of course, is not extracted from an LP or a cassette.
In the Waldo de los Rios CD's has been advised in the booklet of the imperfections that may have some tracks, and our work attempts to be as serious as possible.
If the effort and hard work to rescue these jewels of film music, which is very little economic benefit will be rewarded in this way is better not stay in this business.

JOSÉ M. BENÍTEZ


Do not worry, José - I am sure that the vast, vast majority of people on this board never doubted the authenticity of your Santa Claus : The Movie release for one second.

Big thanks again for all the hard work in making this release possible - I for one am extremely grateful, and with you every success with this and all future "Singular" releases.

-John

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

Anyway, it is likely that a major label to produce a better edition or a complete edition someday. My contract is only for 1000 copies and are under 50, so soon will be free for those who want to do better. I not to stick ever my nose into American film music, as I proposed in a private mail for one of the components of this forum.

José M. Benítez

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Michael Condon   (Member)

I've really enjoyed this release as well. The music sounds great, and I didn't notice any imperfections that took away from my enjoyment of this score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   litefoot   (Member)

Anyway, it is likely that a major label to produce a better edition or a complete edition someday. My contract is only for 1000 copies and are under 50, so soon will be free for those who want to do better. I not to stick ever my nose into American film music, as I proposed in a private mail for one of the components of this forum.

José M. Benítez


Jose,

Can I just say that I was THRILLED to get hold of this soundtrack. Like manhunter, I have played it numerous times (especially 'Making Toys'). The music sounds fine to me. I have no technical knowledge of sound or how it is stored, but I can only say this CD sounds perfect. You have one very happy customer.

I bought both INNERSPACE and BTTF in December, and while I have enjoyed those two, SANTA CLAUS was the best of these.

I repeat: Thrilled.

On another subject, could you tell me what the music is that plays in your home page?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Quartet Records   (Member)

the music of my homepage is a cue from Pascal Gaigne's "Omerta"

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2010 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I had this transfered from my old LP and I did a great great job on it. It sounded wonderful. When I got the CD, the sound was not much different than my LP transfer. I do know what you mean about some of the sound. I noticed a few tracks, the music sounds real "S'y", if that's even a term. I know on some MP3 the music just has a distinct sound on it, you can tell the quality has been lowered etc. A few tracks sound like that to me, though I'm no music expert at all and I must say, I bought two copies and love it!!!

 
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