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 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 12:47 AM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Is there an actual count of how many copies of the original RCA pressing of the Caine Mutiny soundtrack album are out there? I know there were a pretty limited number that got out onto the market when it was originally pressed and I'm sure a few have been lost or damaged over the past 55 years. The McNally guide claimed (when it was published in 1994) that as few as 25 might exist. I've only seen two copies come up for sale in the several decades that I've been buying soundtracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 12:56 AM   
 By:   Eugene Iemola   (Member)

It's hard to get accurate information regarding how many were pressed, but none of them ever "made it to market", to my knowledge, and its not first hand but what I've read in books. The only ones that are floating around out there are the very same ones that made it out by some zealous employees from RCA, from a handful to a box loaded with copies. This one tickles my imagination!



Time to go see what Varese is putting up . . .

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 12:57 AM   
 By:   PeterD   (Member)

I don't suppose anyone knows for sure, but for however accurate it might be, this auction item from the year 2000 says it's estimated that "less than a dozen" survived at that time:

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=2547

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 12:58 AM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

Actually this is my way of killing time until the Varese announcement. It was either this or questions about obscure Pino Donaggio scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2009 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Eugene Iemola   (Member)

Actually this is my way of killing time until the Varese announcement. It was either this or questions about obscure Pino Donaggio scores.


Yeah, me too. It's getting late here on the west coast. Time to hit the hay.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   mrscott   (Member)

I always heard 6 was the number. First and only original copy I ever saw was owned by Intrada's Doug Fake. I believe he sold it which makes sense since he was in the LP business. He let me hold it. I have a pirated copy with the original front cover intact and the LP inside with the original recording. The problem was always that Herman Wouk's name was supposed to appear on all things connected to the movie and it was excluded. Also the 2nd side contains dialogue from the court martial scene with the actors voices. This was not contracted or paid for so the album was quickly deep sixed. The Gerhardt version of the theme is all you would need anyway. If you want some unreleased Steiner lobby for the F.B.I. Story. Stunning martial main title never even recorded on a theme album to my knowledge.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 8:24 PM   
 By:   CH-CD   (Member)

If you want some unreleased Steiner lobby for the F.B.I. Story. Stunning martial main title never even recorded on a theme album to my knowledge.


Except for this one:



This is a great album, and Kenneth Alwyn does an excellent, and pretty authentic job with all the tracks.

It's currently available from Amazon UK......

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Steiner-Flame-Arrow-Classic-SOUNDTRACK/dp/B000024B8Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1260674232&sr=1-1

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 10:00 PM   
 By:   mrscott   (Member)

Wunderbar! Thanks for the info and will look for the album.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2009 - 8:20 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

mrscott, the Alwyn Disk is worth having, but the film version of THE F.B.I. STORY still tops it for sheer drive, energy, and that great crisp Warner soundstage acoustic. I hope Chelsea Rialto/BYU does right by this one some day.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 13, 2009 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I know I'm risking the flame and the arrow here, but does anyone agree that The Caine Mutiny score has almost nothing to do with the movie? I'm not denigrating the score, it's fine for what it is, a typical gung-ho, wave-the-flag Steiner war score, except this wasn't a war movie; it was a quite subtle examination of a disintegrating personality, which Steiner's blustering trumpets did nothing to illuminate. Again, the score's fine on its own; to me it just belongs to a different movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

pp312, you're not at all wrong. There are those who argue that Steiner's rah-rah score was meant to "play against" the film, but I rather doubt that. Kramer may have chosen Steiner for the purpose of irony, but what he got was yet another typical Steiner military
score that doesn't even come up to most of his Warner efforts. And, when I finally caught up with the LP in one of it's non-OEM iterations, I found it to be a totally untineresting effort, what with all the dialogue intruding over such bits of score as were included.

This is probably the most over-rated holy grail in existence and is of interest only to the "bottlecap collectors" and Max Steiner completists. Musically speaking, if you want anything from the score, seek out the Gerhardt Bogart disk. It's played better than in the film and sure as hell is a quantum leap acoustically compared to the RCA (or whatever) LP.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

For diehards:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/maxsteinerpages/Caine_Mutiny.mp3

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   merlyn   (Member)

For diehards:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/maxsteinerpages/Caine_Mutiny.mp3



Nice one

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

For diehards:

http://www.chelsearialtostudios.com/maxsteinerpages/Caine_Mutiny.mp3




Wow, Ray, thanks for that - the most I've listened to Max Steiner for ages!

- James.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:36 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

yes, this is an overated holy grail

I always thought the film could use one opf those brooding Alex North scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:09 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

yes, this is an overated holy grail

I always thought the film could use one opf those brooding Alex North scores.


It could have used just about anything that addressed the actual theme of the film, a clash of personalities surrounding the disintegration of a central personality. Steiner's score was about anything but that.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

I used to work for a man (now deceased) who managed a small record store in the late 1950's in Seattle. He told me that he received a couple of copies of the CAINE MUTINY LP for his store, but it was almost immediately recalled. He thought very hard about keeping those two copies, but reluctantly sent them back to the manufacturer. He remained in the record/VHS/laserdisc/DVD business until 2006, when he passed away. I was working for him then as the weekend manager of his store.

Reminds me of when I was managing a particular video store in 1982-83. MCA sent us a recall letter for the 3-D VHS cassette of CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON. We only had one copy. The owner of that store asked me to send it back as requested, but he never checked to see that I had done so. Well, I didn't send it back when I removed it from inventory, but kept it for myself! I figured that MCA wouldn't bother to track down one copy from an independent store, and they didn't.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:40 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I used to work for a man (now deceased) who managed a small record store in the late 1950's in Seattle. He told me that he received a couple of copies of the CAINE MUTINY LP for his store, but it was almost immediately recalled. He thought very hard about keeping those two copies, but reluctantly sent them back to the manufacturer. He remained in the record/VHS/laserdisc/DVD business until 1996, when he passed away. I was working for him then as the weekend manager of his store.

Reminds me of when I was managing a particular video store in 1982-83. MCA sent us a recall letter for the 3-D VHS cassette of CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON. We only had one copy. The owner of that store asked me to send it back as requested, but he never checked to see that I had done so. Well, I didn't send it back when I removed it from inventory, but kept it for myself! I figured that MCA wouldn't bother to track down one copy from an independent store, and they didn't.


Oh, Mr. Black, you IS BAD. big grin

I would have done the same damned thing, too. And 26 years later I would be wondering why I still had the thing....

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2009 - 11:50 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Thanks for the MP3, Ray!

A couple of links.

Question V003 of this article confirms Herman Wouk’s dissatisfaction with the use of dialog on the album leading to the record being recalled.

http://vinylville.tripod.com/faq-3.html

This one claims that the album sold for nearly $7,000 in 2007.

http://www.popsike.com/THE-CAINE-MUTINY-Rarest-Soundtrack-LP-REAL-DEAL/140095632414.html

Cheers
Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2009 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Huh, is that main title also something else? Because I *have* that music some where, probably DLed off of eMusic (a Silva track I'm sure), though not listed under said title.

 
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