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 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

While watching a first season Hawaii Five-O episode, "The Big Kahuna", I was impressed with how guest star John Marley "played" someone of Hawaiian descent. Later, in a S3 episode of Five-O, Marley plays a Greek political exile! Then, in The Godfather, he was the recipient of a horse head in his bed as the "Jewish" studio boss, Jack Woltz. Also, in reading his IMDB profile, Marley played an Italian priest in an episode of Delvecchio.



John Marley--the son of Russian immigrants-- was just one of several character actors who could (and did) convincingly played various "ethnic" characters. Looking back on it now, it's interesting how certain actors played many other ethnic characters. This of course meant that actual people of a given group wouldn't get a job because they could just make up Ricardo Montalban or Charles Bronson to play a certain role in that guise.

I don't watch much of today's movies and TV, but I have to wonder if there are any actors who still get to play several different ethnicities...not counting Sasha Baron Cohen. wink

So who else was/is noted for this manner of casting?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The obvious examples would be the white guys that were made up with black face paint to play African Americans in the silent era (like BIRTH OF A NATION or Al Jolson in THE JAZZ SINGER). But I guess that's a bit beside the point.

I think Gary Oldman has played a great variety of "ethnicities" over the years - from Jamaican drug dealer to Rumanian vampire count to Russian airplane hijacker etc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The obvious examples would be the white guys that were made up with black face paint to play African Americans in the silent era (like BIRTH OF A NATION or Al Jolson in THE JAZZ SINGER). But I guess that's a bit beside the point.

I'm speaking more to the "serious" portrayals rather than the self-consciously offensive and racist attitudes that prevailed in the 1920s-40s.

Anthony Quinn comes to mind as another of those performers who pulled off those characterizations. He played everything from Italian, Greek, Native American, Mexican, etc.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Ricardo Montalban played all sorts of ethnic characters throughout his career and never once changed his accent (like Sean Connery plays a Russian with a Scottish voice). Michael Ansara was also one for playing a wide variety of ethic roles.

What I always found less than admirable was the use of Anglo actors as Asians. This pretty much came to an end buy the time the 70's rolled around, but it was all over the 60's. Even the aforementioned Montalban played a Japanese in the first one hour episode of Hawaii Five-O "Samurai." Meanwhile there was no shortage of Asian actors to play the background guys or menials.

Henry Silva was another actor to play a variety of types.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:51 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



Our Choice for One of the Most Versatile at Being Multi-Ethnic Department:



From very few can equal this guy’s astonishing ability to transform himself



into virtually anything a tee-vee or film script calls for



- although he first came to our attention (apart from an equally arresting three-episode arc playing a slimy sinister
cop on “Hill Street Blues” around the same time) as space-cadet wannabee con-man Nick Tortelli



on





He’s utterly amazing.



 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

The obvious examples would be the white guys that were made up with black face paint to play African Americans in the silent era (like BIRTH OF A NATION or Al Jolson in THE JAZZ SINGER). But I guess that's a bit beside the point.

Jolson wasn't playing an African-American in THE JAZZ SINGER (or any other film).

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The obvious examples would be the white guys that were made up with black face paint to play African Americans in the silent era (like BIRTH OF A NATION or Al Jolson in THE JAZZ SINGER). But I guess that's a bit beside the point.

Jolson wasn't playing an African-American in THE JAZZ SINGER (or any other film).


Eh...what? Jolson was THE most famous "blackface make-up actor" of all time, Pete! Here's Jolson from THE JAZZ SINGER:

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

Yes, but he's not playing an African-American as a character, his character in Jazz Singer is Jewish. The blackface scenes are where he's in a minstrel show. Minstrel shows were white performers in exaggerated blackface makeup, no one thinks they are actually 'black' characters.

Have you seen The Jazz Singer?

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Yes, but he's not playing an African-American as a character, his character in Jazz Singer is Jewish. The blackface scenes are where he's in a minstrel show. Minstrel shows were white performers in exaggerated blackface makeup, no one thinks they are actually 'black' characters.


Pete is correct. Let's please keep the focus on performances where the actors are cast as ethnic characters, rather than having the character they play masquerading as another group.

Some interesting casting moves include Burt Lancaster playing Native American Olympian Jim Thorpe.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, but he's not playing an African-American as a character, his character in Jazz Singer is Jewish. The blackface scenes are where he's in a minstrel show. Minstrel shows were white performers in exaggerated blackface makeup, no one thinks they are actually 'black' characters.

Have you seen The Jazz Singer?


Of course. Which is why I said that the "blackface" phenomenon was a little beside the point of the topic starter. Granted, the BIRTH OF A NATION example is probably a better one, but both are examples of the same phenomenon - even if Jolson plays a character WITHIN a character.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)



Of course. Which is why I said that the "blackface" phenomenon was a little beside the point of the topic starter. Granted, the BIRTH OF A NATION example is probably a better one, but both are examples of the same phenomenon - even if Jolson plays a character WITHIN a character.


Jolson's 'character within a character' is not supposed to be a black person. Your Birth of a Nation example was good, the Jolson example was incorrect.

But yes, we've take this thread OT - please let it get back on track.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Jolson's 'character within a character' is not supposed to be a black person. .

Uhm, yes, that's kinda the point with the whole "blackface" phenomenon, even in minstrel shows. Although one could argue that it was not so much a particular PERSON being embodied, as a general "blackness" or African-American culture on display. I'm all for getting back on track here, but let's not put forward false assertions.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Another Hawaii Five-O character playing a different ethnicity would be Khigh Dhiegh (real name Kenneth Dickerson), who played Chinese agent Wo Fat. Dhiegh was of Anglo-Egyptian-Sudanese ancestry and was born in New Jersey.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

J. Carroll Naish!

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Rod Steiger and Paul Muni

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)


Our Choice for One of the Most Versatile at Being Multi-Ethnic Department:




I believe Dan even played Tricky Dick once.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144168/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2009 - 5:42 PM   
 By:   Greg Bryant   (Member)

Sam Jaffe

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He played Tibetan (Lost Horizon), Indian (Gunga Din), Israelite (Ben-Hur). I think that most often, he played Jewish characters. Jaffe was Jewish, which may have accounted for this bit of typecasting.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2009 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Alec Guinness playing Professor Godbole was about the only jarring note (heh heh) in Lean's A Passage to India.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2009 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

I suppose, when you think about it, Merle Oberon ALWAYS played ethnic roles. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2009 - 12:10 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Alec Guinness playing Professor Godbole was about the only jarring note (heh heh) in Lean's A Passage to India.

It wasn't jarring to me. I thought he was brilliant.


As the character....and as an actor.


An actor -- the real deal -- can, and should be allowed to, play any role. ANY ROLE.

It doesn't matter if someone ethnically correct "could" play it. Sometimes you just want an Alec Guinness or Laurence Olivier (if only there were successors to same). Sometimes, you need their cache...and their charisma.

 
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