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 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   orion_mk3   (Member)

It was really interesting to see Jonathan Elias' name attached to the new Children of the Corn remake considering that he scored the original way back when (with both scores soon to be available on Varese CD's!).

For some reason, this doesn't happen very much (the only other one I can think of is Goldsmith's Twilight Zone since he did some episodic work for the original series). Even when the original composer is still alive and able to work, like Lalo Schifrin with the Mission Impossible films, it seems the producers always go with somebody else to score the remake.

Anybody care to chime in on why composers scoring their own remakes is so rare? And, for that matter, can anybody think of more examples of composers bucking the trend and actually tackling a remake when they scored the original film?

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Trekfan   (Member)

Anybody care to chime in on why composers scoring their own remakes is so rare? And, for that matter, can anybody think of more examples of composers bucking the trend and actually tackling a remake when they scored the original film?

Well, often remakes are of course separated by a certain time period, and stylistically things can change so much in the intervening years that a new production crew may impulsively wish to find a new composer. Of course, great composers can write in many styles so it may be more a perception thing than reality. Sometimes a new production team desperately wants to create their own vision and so may not employ any key production member involved with the original - or, the director of the remake already has a working relationship with the composer (like Tim Burton using Danny Elfman for "Planet of the Apes", for instance). Or, if asked, some composers may have "been there, done that" before and don't wish to revisit a similar picture.

Some remakes aren't separated by a time period but might be a foreign film concept remade "larger" in Hollywood - like "The Vanishing", "The Ring", etc. Again, the same composer might not be available, if it was a small film originally executives may be more comfortable going with a "known name", etc.

I guess the remakes of "Cape Fear" and "Psycho" with music supervision/adaptation from their original films would be worth a mention in this thread too! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

Well, Cronenberg is remaking THE FLY (and that after having just completed an Opera version, also with Howard Shore). So we might very well be getting Shore's FLY 3.0! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

I was just about to ask if this has ever happened before: a composer scoring a movie and its remake.

Is Elias really the first?

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Hester_Prin   (Member)

I was just about to ask if this has ever happened before: a composer scoring a movie and its remake.

Is Elias really the first?


I have NEVER heard or read of a composer scoring a remake of their original film. Elias must be mad.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 4:33 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Well, Cronenberg is remaking THE FLY (and that after having just completed an Opera version, also with Howard Shore). So we might very well be getting Shore's FLY 3.0! smile

I did not know that. I don't know how he can top his original, it was of the best science fiction movies of the 1980's.

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Does Cape Fear count?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 6:49 PM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

I would say that it doesn't count, because we're talking about the same composer writing a new score for the remake. In the case of the "Cape Fear" remake, Herrmann's score for the original film was just re-used.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   joffa   (Member)


How about Bernard Herrmann scoring "Obsession"? That comes close to a remake of "Vertigo"...

 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

How about Bernard Herrmann scoring "Obsession"? That comes close to a remake of "Vertigo"...

Except for one little thing.

It wasn't a remake of VERTIGO.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   Eric Sandstrom   (Member)

Except for one little thing.

It wasn't a remake of VERTIGO.


Well, it wasn't an authorized remake of Vertigo. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 29, 2009 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)


If memory serves me correctly, I do believe that Alfred Newman scored the 1937 version of THE PRISONER OF ZENDA (Oscar-Nominated) and then his score was used again for the 1952 shot-for-shot remake. But the "score adaption" credit seems to have gone to Conrad Salinger, rather than to Newman for an "original" score.

Am I correct?

Ron Burbella

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Didn't Kaper write some music (a song?) for the 30s version of Mutiny on the Bounty?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   orion_mk3   (Member)

I have NEVER heard or read of a composer scoring a remake of their original film. Elias must be mad.
Aside from Elias, I wasn't able to find any either. There are a few cases like Twilight Zone where a composer who worked on a TV series scored a big-screen remake, and a few (like people have pointed out) where the original score is adapted to a new movie by somebody else. I suppose that it could have happened during the Golden Age, about which I know nil, but there don't seem to have been a whole lot of remakes back then in the first place.

It just seems weird that it happens so rarely, especially when filmmakers seem willing to recycle themes but not their composers--Lalo Schifrin is still writing and his themes are all over M:I's I-III, but as far as I can tell he was never asked to take a whack at them.

Elias might well and truly be the first, which is kind of shocking! It'll be interesting to compare the two scores when they're both out.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

Did Trevor Rabin write anything new for Renny Harlin's EXORCIST: THE BEGINNING after scoring Paul Schrader's DOMINION: PREQUEL TO THE EXORCIST?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   markbagby   (Member)

Nelson Riddle of course did the TV series 'Batman' and then did the 1966 movie version. That's about the closest I can come to anything, other than the examples mentioned here already.

Ron, you're right, the Newman score was re-used but Salinger was noted as the adapter.

Dominic Frontiere adapted Newman-Friedhofer's work for the TV movie remake of 'Mark of Zorro' in 1973 or 1974. I'd sure like to know if any of that stuff is in existence. It's a pretty good performance of the original material.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Not exactly a remake, but what about Miklos Rozsa scoring 1983's Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid, which featured clips from several movies he originally scored back in the 40's/50's noir heyday?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   John Morgan   (Member)

If memory serves me correctly, I do believe that Alfred Newman scored the 1937 version of THE PRISONER OF ZENDA (Oscar-Nominated) and then his score was used again for the 1952 shot-for-shot remake. But the "score adaption" credit seems to have gone to Conrad Salinger, rather than to Newman for an "original" score.

Am I correct?

Ron Burbella


Yes, Newman wasn't involved in the MGM remake. Salinger redid his score for the remake. Same thing happened with the MGM remake of LITTLE WOMEN. It was based on Max Steiner's original score. And the TV adaptation of THE LETTER featured Steiner's main theme throughout.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

How about Bernard Herrmann scoring "Obsession"? That comes close to a remake of "Vertigo"...

I suppose this could count. Suppose, mind you; like the man said; it's not an official remake.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2009 - 4:36 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)


Yes, Newman wasn't involved in the MGM remake. Salinger redid his score for the remake. Same thing happened with the MGM remake of LITTLE WOMEN. It was based on Max Steiner's original score. And the TV adaptation of THE LETTER featured Steiner's main theme throughout.


And, of course, John, Max scored Warners' remake of his THE LETTER - THE UNFAITHFUL with Ann Sheridan. And a fine work it was, musically at least.

 
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