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 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Were the versions intended for Shirley Bassey or Dionne Warwicke to sing ever recorded, and if so, were they ever released and on what?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Alexander Zambra   (Member)

The 2CD collection anniversary edition of Bond has both. Stunning performances.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks. Where can I find that website that shows you how to resequence the expanded Bond CDs in film order? I can't find it for some reason.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

Thanks. Where can I find that website that shows you how to resequence the expanded Bond CDs in film order? I can't find it for some reason.

It's here:

http://www.soundtrack-express.com/osts/thunderballexpanded.htm

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Try:

http://jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3429

Note that, as the song doesn't actually appear in the film, I place Shirley Bassey's version right at the beginning as an overture of sorts.

EDIT:

Hah! Simul-post! smile

Sadly, though, the preceding post is, with respect, useless. The linked page doesn't tell you how to separate the suites, and the link it provides is broken. The link should be:

http://www.johnbarry.org.uk/expanded.php

However, if you want a comprehensive (nay, exhaustive) look at sequencing all the Bond CDs, try the link I've provided.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

The Dionne Warwick version was intended to be the main title and even syncs with the movie. You can even hear it against the picture on one of the commentary tracks on the DVD.

Neil

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Julian K   (Member)

http://www.johnbarry.org.uk/expanded.php

However, if you want a comprehensive (nay, exhaustive) look at sequencing all the Bond CDs, try the link I've provided.


Good link, thanks! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I understand that there is more "Thunderball" music than a CD can fit. Does anyone know offhand if any of the "Bond Back in Action" CDs have Thunderball music that is not on the expanded OST?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

I goofed on the Thunderball sequencing written 6 years ago. The portion of "The Bomb" that I say to cut off and move to the end (for the aquatroopers parachuting out of the plane) is tracked in that sequence. It's unused in its intended position and was meant to underscore the Vulcan landing in the ocean, which means it shouldn't be cut off of "The Bomb" at all.

Neil

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Sigh ...

Back to the drawing board/editing software. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   fommes   (Member)

I goofed on the Thunderball sequencing written 6 years ago. The portion of "The Bomb" that I say to cut off and move to the end (for the aquatroopers parachuting out of the plane) is tracked in that sequence. It's unused in its intended position and was meant to underscore the Vulcan landing in the ocean, which means it shouldn't be cut off of "The Bomb" at all.

Neil


Typically, I'm only reading this now after spending time to figure this out for myself! smile Incidentally are there any other 'goofs' in your sequencing lists at JWFan? Now is the time to fess up! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Indeed!

I.....I....trusted you!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Membership Expired   (Member)

Indeed!

I.....I....trusted you!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 5:46 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Were the versions intended for Shirley Bassey or Dionne Warwicke to sing ever recorded, and if so, were they ever released and on what?


Is it just my ears, or does Dame Shirley seem to be having too much fun with Mr KKBB? Once you show how ridiculous the average Bond song lyrics are by orally winking at the audience, you might as well forget it. For that reason, I much prefer the Warwick version.

TG

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

Is it just my ears, or does Dame Shirley seem to be having too much fun with Mr KKBB? Once you show how ridiculous the average Bond song lyrics are by orally winking at the audience, you might as well forget it. For that reason, I much prefer the Warwick version.
TG


Same here. To my ears the Bassey version seems to have been intended as an end title; on the 30th Anniversary Collection there's an orchestral sign-off at the end of the piece that hints of a "James Bond Will Return In 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" notice, which was visually edited out of the film (there's a visual fade-out on the Monty Norman credit on all prints). First prints of the film reverted to the John Barry instrumental Thunderball chords for the end of the film, later changed to a reprise of the Dr. No James Bond Theme. An awkward musical ending to the first Bond widescreen epic.

Dr. No originally ended with a very dated and embarrassingly 1950s-like Monty Norman flourish, replaced on all DVD issue's with a sudden reprise of the James Theme over a credit crawl that never appeared in the original prints. Not even Jon Burlingame seems to have noted that in his excellent Bond music book.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Is it just my ears, or does Dame Shirley seem to be having too much fun with Mr KKBB? Once you show how ridiculous the average Bond song lyrics are by orally winking at the audience, you might as well forget it. For that reason, I much prefer the Warwick version.
TG


Same here. To my ears the Bassey version seems to have been intended as an end title; on the 30th Anniversary Collection there's an orchestral sign-off at the end of the piece that hints of a "James Bond Will Return In 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" notice, which was visually edited out of the film (there's a visual fade-out on the Monty Norman credit on all prints). First prints of the film reverted to the John Barry instrumental Thunderball chords for the end of the film, later changed to a reprise of the Dr. No James Bond Theme. An awkward musical ending to the first Bond widescreen epic.

Dr. No originally ended with a very dated and embarrassingly 1950s-like Monty Norman flourish, replaced on all DVD issue's with a sudden reprise of the James Theme over a credit crawl that never appeared in the original prints. Not even Jon Burlingame seems to have noted that in his excellent Bond music book.


I've heard the original Thunderball score ending of course on the 30th anniversary as well as the expanded CD. Here's where my memory may be playing tricks with me: Is the original ending on Roland Shaw's album? And was the original ending played on ABC? On any of the DVDs or laserdiscs? I'd swear that I saw that ending without the awkward (but common) musical edit.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

The Bassey version is too short for the front titles, but Jon's book goes into it all.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I don't think that ending was on the Shaw albums.

There are prints out there with the original ending. I've seen it both ways.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2013 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

There are prints out there with the original ending. I've seen it both ways.

Yes, both the original Barry ending and the revised Bond Theme ending appeared on different Laserdisc editions. The quick visual fade-out on the Monty Norman theme credit appears on all versions. The post-production was rushed in order to get the film into theaters in time for Christmas 1965.

There's a YouTube posting that shows how well the Dionne Warwick song version would have worked over the main title sequence, delaying the start of the vocal until after the Thunderball title has appeared on the screen. (No one has attempted to post the Shirley Bassey version over the end titles, probably because they would have to replicate somehow the "James Bond will return in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" notice at the end. They would also have to exclude the repeat to the bridge section of the song; i.e the a-a-b-a-b-a structure would have to be shortened to a-a-b-a.)

There's an interesting speculation about "James Bond will return in 'On Her Majesty's Secret Service'" at:

http://www.hmss.com/films/ohmss67/

 
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