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This is a comments thread about Blog Post: Film Score Blog (July 2009): Oliver Nelson Works and Zigzag! by Thomas Rucki
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2009 - 5:57 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Bastards! Talk about ZIGZAG---now! wink

ZIGZAG is undoubtedly the worst score that FSM has ever released, in fact it's one of the worst scores ever written for a movie, period. It's like The Muppets Big Band, coupled with Mantovani's bloody 1000 Strings, and spiced up, supposedly, by some bloke banging away on an oil drum or something. Who is this Oliver Nelson guy anyway? Ah - Jazz! That says it all. Jazz is all improvisation. I'll say this for ZIGZAG though - it does sound as if Nelson made it up as he was going along. I feel sorry for the two punters above who actually shelled out good money on this trash.

You know a score/composer is unpopular when you have to debate both sides of an argument, because it's so under the radar that there isn't even any dissent!

I guess it would take a Six Million Dollar Man DVD/score release to finally give Oliver Nelson his due.

I like how many of the cues in ZIGZAG have a "driving in an early-1970s-city" feeling. Love that! Everything about this era is fascinating, and to have even the obscure scores like this one sound so good makes it all the more so.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2009 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Having watched the Columbo episode The Greenhouse Jungle again yesterday, I can't help but listen in amazement to Oliver Nelson's end credits music, included in this very blog article--listen to it, kids, if you haven't already--and Nelson's score is truly a thing of beauty. How he manages to have percussion in the forefront of that piece yet imbuing the whole proceedings with a sense of melancholy is just wondrous. The episode from which it comes is enjoyable entertainment, but here's another example of scoring that exceeds the material for which it's written.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2009 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I agree totally with what Jim said.

 
 Posted:   Sep 5, 2009 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

I've marvelled here for years about the magnificent Greenhouse score. Great to see someone seconds that! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2009 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oliver Nelson's score for "The Boy Who Predicted Earthquakes" is reminscent of his work on Zigzag:

http://www.nightgallery.net/index.html?title.html&0

I agree totally with what Jim said.

I've marvelled here for years about the magnificent Greenhouse score. Great to see someone seconds that! smile

I always thought you two had impeccable taste! smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2009 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Oliver Nelson composed a ton of scores for IRONSIDE. I like the piece he wrote for the credits in the episode "A Bullet For Mark" as the camera pans over the San Fran skyline--jazzy! It can be heard beginning about 3:10 into the episode:


http://www.imdb.com/video/hulu/vi2352808473/

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2013 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Major Sloan   (Member)

The "Bullet For Mark" theme you mention is called "5x5x5" from Nelson's same-year album 3-2-1-0 with Nobuo Hara and the Sharps and Flats. The session for "5x5x5" was in September and the Ironside episode aired in October, so your guess is as good as mine whether the theme was composed for the album or the show. The album version has a brilliant B section as well, check it out on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/3-2-1-0-Oliver-Nelson-Sharps-Flats/dp/B003U8QINW/

There are a number of Ironside themes that crept into Nelson's later albums: "The Lonely Way to Go" lurks within Swiss Suite, "New Game" on Soulful Brass 2 originated from "The Sacrifice," (a theme developed in "Murder, Impromtu") and both "Class of '57" and "The Machismo Bag" form the basis of "El Gato" with Gato Barbieri ("The Machismo Bag" would later resurface as the theme to the posthumous episode of The Six Million Dollar Man: "Clark Templeton O'Flaherty")

Six Million Dollar Man episodes would revive a number of Ironsides, for example: "Survival of the Fittest" ("Return to Fiji") "The Price of Liberty" (the chase features an ostinato from "Dead Man's Tale"). The list goes on.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2015 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I've been trying to complete the composer credits for the series "Chase" but couldn't find any episodes, until today where I fianlly found two up on youtube. They are mislabled -- the one labled "Pilot" is actually epsiode 12 and the other is episode 11. Both are scored by Nelson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaKF_rYGQ50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59pH6FbHsw


I'm a little disappointed. While I'd like to hear some of it apart from the SFX, it seems he only had one mode -- beat you over the fucking head with the music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2015 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

I've been trying to complete the composer credits for the series "Chase" but couldn't find any episodes, until today where I fianlyl foudn two up on youtube. They are mislabled -- the one labled "Pilot" is actually epsiode 12 and the other is episode 11. Both are scored by Nelson:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaKF_rYGQ50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59pH6FbHsw


I'm a little disappointed. While I'd liek to hear some of it apart from the SFX, but seems he only had one mode -- beat you over the fucking head with the music.




Opening Titles from "Chase":

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)


Posted:  Jul 25, 2009 - 1:57 PM   
By:  Graham S. Watt   (Member)


I've been playing ZIGZAG a lot recently, and I think it's a great score and a wonderful example of a sound so prevalent from that period, a sound which I associate particularly with Universal TV above all, and the works of Billy Goldenberg and Gil Mellé especially.




Hello Graham,

I will follow your 2011 lead and buy Last Tango in Paris arranged by Oliver Nelson.
It has the sound of Zigzag all the way.

Listen to the audio samples at
http://www.quartetrecords.com/last-tango-in-paris.html


http://www.quartetrecords.com/media/music/335/1-02%20Last%20Tango%20in%20Paris%20-%20Part%2002.mp3

http://www.quartetrecords.com/media/music/335/1-10%20Last%20Tango%20in%20Paris%20-%20Part%2010.mp3

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Hi (Member),

All I can say is, it's about bleedin' time! I've been banging on about how great (and how totally Oliver Nelson) LAST TANGO is ever since it came out on Varese and/ or Ryko. I remember a post in which I asked you, "Do you have LAST TANGO IN PARIS?", to which you very curtly replied "No". As if you had something against the idea. Perhaps it's "Paris" that initially put you off. Have you ever been there?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

Hi (Member),

All I can say is, it's about bleedin' time! I've been banging on about how great (and how totally Oliver Nelson) LAST TANGO is ever since it came out on Varese and/ or Ryko. I remember a post in which I asked you, "Do you have LAST TANGO IN PARIS?", to which you very curtly replied "No". As if you had something against the idea. Perhaps it's "Paris" that initially put you off. Have you ever been there?



I have. But back then, I was not enthusiastic because the film didn't interest me.
But the samples highlights the genuine Nelson sound.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Hi (Member),

All I can say is, it's about bleedin' time! I've been banging on about how great (and how totally Oliver Nelson) LAST TANGO is ever since it came out on Varese and/ or Ryko. I remember a post in which I asked you, "Do you have LAST TANGO IN PARIS?", to which you very curtly replied "No". As if you had something against the idea. Perhaps it's "Paris" that initially put you off. Have you ever been there?



I have. But back then, I was not enthusiastic because the film didn't interest me.
But the samples highlights the genuine Nelson sound.


Sorry about the poor Paris joke, Thomas. I actually know you've "been" there.

It's true, there are parts in the clips available which sound like they could be out of ZIGZAG or THE 6 BUCK MAN. Listen to the way the piano and percussion come in towards the end of the clip from Track 7, or the way Track 36 starts - pure Oliver Nelson.

Now listen up you nutmegs. Buy ZIGZAG if you haven't already done so. And if you don't like it, well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong and have no taste. And no ears. Just nutmegs.

Here's a track I always liked, from the LP. I think that's Artie Kane on piano, and I just love what he does from 1:42 on. Some of the phrasing reminds me of the playing on some John Williams scores of the period. I wonder if Artie is the common denominator there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfMflMalK9s

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Now listen up you nutmegs. Buy ZIGZAG if you haven't already done so. And if you don't like it, well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong and have no taste. And no ears. Just nutmegs.


Is Graham addressing the attendees @ a comic convention? smile

FYI, I bought this CD when it was a new release - so I have as much great taste in music as you do!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

Now listen up you nutmegs. Buy ZIGZAG if you haven't already done so. And if you don't like it, well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong and have no taste. And no ears. Just nutmegs.


Is Graham addressing the attendees @ a comic convention? smile

FYI, I bought this CD when it was a new release - so I have as much great taste in music as you do!


Ah, but Zardoz, "buying" is one thing, "liking" is another. Don't disappoint me by answering in the negative please. It does confound me so when my opinions aren't shared by everyone else.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Now listen up you nutmegs. Buy ZIGZAG if you haven't already done so. And if you don't like it, well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong and have no taste. And no ears. Just nutmegs.


Is Graham addressing the attendees @ a comic convention? smile

FYI, I bought this CD when it was a new release - so I have as much great taste in music as you do!


Ah, but Zardoz, "buying" is one thing, "liking" is another. Don't disappoint me by answering in the negative please. It does confound me so when my opinions aren't shared by everyone else.


Here's more background, Graham.

Long ago, I had ZIGZAG on MGM LP.

When FSM released this album, I bought it because I like ZIGZAG & because of the Fielding portion, too. Plus, I got to upgrade ZIGZAG from LP to CD and sell-off the MGM LP.

So - yeah- I like ZIGZAG, but it's never been a personal favorite.

Does my opinion count as being shared now? smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 12, 2016 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Nce to see ths old chestnut of a thread bumped up. Here's another which started around the same time as this one where we all enthuse over the score like drunken, backslapping traveling salesmen:

http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=61131&forumID=1&archive=0

 
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