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 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

And any one of them would in a heartbeat but as stated in numerous posts here in this very thread. this score is owned in perpetuity by Varese - therefore none of your film music labels can touch it.


What I don't understand? Why would stupid Varese object to releasing the score the right way. by another label Their not making any money off of it, appear Varese is not interested in releasing for no legit reason.


Let's all boycott all things Varese.

There have been many Varese titles that have been released by other labels.



Seriously?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   McMillan & Husband   (Member)

Let's all boycott all things Varese.

You make me slightly ashamed to be a Goldsmith fan.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

And any one of them would in a heartbeat but as stated in numerous posts here in this very thread. this score is owned in perpetuity by Varese - therefore none of your film music labels can touch it.


What I don't understand? Why would stupid Varese object to releasing the score the right way. by another label Their not making any money off of it, appear Varese is not interested in releasing for no legit reason.


Let's all boycott all things Varese.

There have been many Varese titles that have been released by other labels.


This is not really hard to understand, is it? If anyone can release The Other it is Varese - they own the CD rights in perpetuity. What they may not own is the right to sublicense to another label and even if they did they have never sublicensed anything in full to another label.. There have NOT been many Varese titles that have been released to other labels that Varese owns in perpetuity. What has been released by other labels are things that Varese has LOST the rights to or where rights have expired. It's really not so hot to confuse this issue because it really is very simple. You don't have to like it, but I'm telling you the way it is. As to why Varese hasn't revisited this one, you'd have to ask them.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

so perhaps because they own the rights in perpetuity, they dont feel rushed to release it?
What exactly do they own - the music itself, or the distribution rights? I wonder how that works - do they pay extra for that privilege? And why a composer (music-owner) would do that?
Anyway, I did email Varese if they have any plans, although my experience is they're not very forthcoming.

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

If you're buying rights to music for release, you naturally want the most you can get for the least money. Why buy a limited release window when you can get it forever? In 1997, Varèse was the only major player releasing vintage score albums (this was a year before FSM's first release). So they got perpetuity rights for "The Other" as well as many others.

Are they purposely sitting on this score (and others) to be mean? No, of course not. Do they not realize the potential sales? No, I'm sure they can project far better than any of us how an expanded score release would sell.

So why hasn't it happened yet? I'm guessing for the same reason I haven't cleaned out my attic yet -- other things keep pushing it from the top of the list.

Why not sub-license this music (if such a thing is allowed by their contract)? Quite possibly because they'd like to do it themselves. A sub-license is dividing a small piece of pie even smaller. It might not work for the licensor or the licensee. Varèse may have every intention of releasing this score. But when they'll get around to it (or if) is something none of us knows.

Just don't assume there is no method to this madness.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

If you're buying rights to music for release, you naturally want the most you can get for the least money. Why buy a limited release window when you can get it forever? In 1997, Varèse was the only major player releasing vintage score albums (this was a year before FSM's first release). So they got perpetuity rights for "The Other" as well as many others.

Are they purposely sitting on this score (and others) to be mean? No, of course not. Do they not realize the potential sales? No, I'm sure they can project far better than any of us how an expanded score release would sell.

So why hasn't it happened yet? I'm guessing for the same reason I haven't cleaned out my attic yet -- other things keep pushing it from the top of the list.

Why not sub-license this music (if such a thing is allowed by their contract)? Quite possibly because they'd like to do it themselves. A sub-license is dividing a small piece of pie even smaller. It might not work for the licensor or the licensee. Varèse may have every intention of releasing this score. But when they'll get around to it (or if) is something none of us knows.

Just don't assume there is no method to this madness.


You really think that there is a 'method' going on here? Possibly. However, Varese is missing a golden opportunity with a marketing tie in with the new Twilight Time Blu ray release of THE OTHER.

They are also missing opportunities of releasing other Goldsmith gems as well as Herrmann and possibly Williams scores that they control. Fans of these scores are not getting any younger!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

Fact is Twilight can release on Blu ray Goldsmith's "The Other" score, But Varese will not allow another label to release the score on CD, makes no sense, and I don't get this perpetuity thingey?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I don't get this perpetuity thingey?

What's to not-get?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 7:42 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I don't get this perpetuity thingey?

What's to not-get?




What does license perpetual mean? One can release the music on Blu Ray but not on any other medium i.e. CD, download etc.?

 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   La La Land Records   (Member)

I don't get this perpetuity thingey?

What's to not-get?




What does license perpetual mean? One can release the music on Blu Ray but not on any other medium i.e. CD, download etc.?


In the initial agreement they got rights to release the soundtrack in all known (and possibly unknown) audio configurations in perpetuity. In other words, forever.

A medium like blu ray does not count because the isolated track is considered "bonus material" and the main attraction is a visual medium

MV

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 10, 2013 - 10:31 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

I haven't received my copy of "The Other" bluray, but RM described the iso track as having more music than what appears in the film. For me, the fact that it's in stereo and there's additional music is very exciting. I can import the iso track into iTunes and I'm happy. Sure, I'd love a definitive CD release with informative liner notes about a favourite score, but I'm just damn happy to have the film in hidef and what pretty much amounts to a new release of the score, that I expect will be better than the suite on the Mephisto Waltz disc.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2013 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

A medium like blu ray does not count because the isolated track is considered "bonus material" and the main attraction is a visual medium
MV


Would a bonus CD included with the bluray (bonus CDs have been included with other video releases) have crossed the line?

Do you have to pay more for eternal ownership (ie your soul, in this case)? And are there conditions or responsibilities typically attached?
It doesnt sound like they actually own the music if it can be included as a bonus track.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2013 - 9:31 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

I don't get this perpetuity thingey?

What's to not-get?




What does license perpetual mean? One can release the music on Blu Ray but not on any other medium i.e. CD, download etc.?


In the initial agreement they got rights to release the soundtrack in all known (and possibly unknown) audio configurations in perpetuity. In other words, forever.

A medium like blu ray does not count because the isolated track is considered "bonus material" and the main attraction is a visual medium

MV



Thanks MV for info. How about a Blu-Ray movie and a bonus DVD, Blu-Ray or CD as a bonus disc of the film score, would that work?


Is there a way to listen to the iso score all the way through without scenes not scored?

 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2013 - 3:28 AM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

I've never heard "The Other" actually sung, but I do have the sheet music.
Who took a gamble on recording this unusual song?

For those of you who are interested in Tom Tryon's lyrics, here they are:

Yes, I know your eyes,
they're the same eyes,
And for me they hold no surprise.

Yet, how strange,
from time to time they change
Till they become two other eyes.

And just now and then when you're speaking
There's a diff'rent voice unfamiliar

And I think when it reaches my ear,
It's a stranger's voice that I hear.

And I know your smile seldom varies
It's the same sweet smile I recall.
till, at times, for just a little while,
It's really not your smile at all.

Now and then, your face seems another
It's the other face I discover

But your face is the face I adore,
There's no other face I love more.

It's the dearer face,
The nearer face;
It's your face


Zoob gives it a try. Thanks to Ron B. for the supplying the lyrics!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y19uKR1npE&feature=youtu.be

Take 2 with music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K_gN6RyczA&feature=youtu.be


Did the 2006 DVD release have a PDF of the Goldsmith film score as an extra?

 
 Posted:   Oct 18, 2013 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

I would love an expanded The other.

Hopefully this is cooking up somewhere already!?

 
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