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 Posted:   Dec 6, 2001 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

...at Christopher Columbus? Christopher Kinsinger?? Nah, They All Laughed is the title of a 1981 quirky, witty, offbeat light romantic comedy written & directed by Peter Bogdanovich. It's one of those guilty little pleasures filmed all over the Big Apple with that patented late summer/early autumn look. Great location photography, great, Brooklyn Bridge (throughout!) and all. Consider it Bogdanovich doing Woody Allen sans neuroses. The plot concerns a trio of men employed by The Odyssey Detective Agency ("We Never Sleep"), two of whom (played by Ben Gazzara, John Ritter) have a knack for becoming smitten with the wives they've been hired to tail. They're both wonderful; the veteran Gazzara maintains a "distant, dreamy look" in his eyes the whole flick and Ritter is charmingly absent-minded in the screwball comedy tradition.

The always enchanting Audrey Hepburn and ravishing ex-playmate Dorothy Stratten portray the objects of their affection, respectively. There are more ladies, to be sure. The entire cast is just plain dynamite.

The music? Mr. Bogdanovich eschews traditional underscoring, as usual, but instead loads the film with source music, mostly of the pop variety. I mean there's music playing overhead in a bookstore, blaring from car radios; jazz in a roller rink (the incomparable Sing, Sing, Sing!!); live country music in a bar; and more. And let me tell you it worked. I couldn't help but muse, however, that the picture was tailor-made for Henry Mancini's "cocktail" sound. Yeah, Ms. Hepburn's presence and the whole New York ambience alone make for an obvious association, but oh, what Mr. Mancini could have done with this! Again, the flick works fine as is but one can only ponder the scoring possibilities.

One other note: the opening credits sport a most prominent shot of the Twin Towers in the background on what is nothing less than a perfectly crisp morning. Beautiful thing. Haunting now, in retrospect.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Chris Kinsinger   (Member)

I know that I'm one of the oldest Peter Bogdanovich fans here...how many others can boast watching Targets upon its first run in theatres?
From such a promising beginning, Bogdanovich built ever upward with The Last Picture Show, What's Up, Doc?, and Paper Moon.
Here, at the Zenith of his career, he fell into the sad pit of self-indulgence, giving us Daisy Miller, At Long Last Love (I saw that pathetic turkey at Radio City Music Hall!), and Nickelodeon.
I checked out at that point.
How much punishment is a film lover to take?
So, Howard...I've never seen They All Laughed. It was boxoffice poison in its day, because by that time Bogdanovich had successfully alienated most all of his loyal followers, both critics and audiences.

Here and now, you have stated the only kind words that I've ever heard about this movie!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 4:00 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

"What's Up, Doc?" is one of the bright spots from the 1970s. Totally, wackily wonderful -- owing so much to so many films -- with Streisand delightful and O'Neal miscast in spades.

BUT the supporting cast was such perfection -- MADELINE KAHN was robbed at Oscar-time (that scene of her being dragged out of the banquet hall -- her heels leaving wavy scuff marks on the floor -- is a miracle)...and all the other wonderful actors, including Mabel Albertson as the rich woman one of the thieves kept tripping up in the hotel lobby. Just cracks me up to think about it.

And the main titles...Cole Porter...and Streisand...."You're the Top"!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 6:57 AM   
 By:   ian642002   (Member)

Loved 'Targets' and 'What's Up Doc' - and thought his book in collaboration with Orson Welles was superb. So what's Bogdanovich up to nowadays?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   aps   (Member)

Mr. Kinsinger,

Peter Bogdanovich is great! You're certainly not the only one who enjoys his work. TARGETS is one that I only recently discovered and found to be quite unique. As for PAPER MOON, I think this film is absolutely perfect in every way. It is one of the rare few films I would never change. I even wish there was a soundtrack to this one--I like those old 1930's songs!

Andy

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 7:28 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

So, Howard...I've never seen They All Laughed. It was boxoffice poison in its day, because by that time Bogdanovich had successfully alienated most all of his loyal followers, both critics and audiences.


And I was probably one of the few to see Mr. B's Noises Off! during its ultra-limited theatrical release and it was one of the best laugh-out-loud nights at the movies I'd had in years. Mr. K, after you kick back your heels and get sucked into the former, pick up the latter and have a good laugh. Coincidentally, it's being revived as we speak on The Great White Way!

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2001 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   Jim Wilson Redux   (Member)

The enjoyment of "They All Laughed" is hereby seconded. Though some of its music has not passed muster in the sense of being timeless--I'm referring to the country-bar aspect of it--I do remember remarking to several couples who had not seen it, "This is the way I'd like the world to be!" It is fun, sexy, and...
charitable is the word I'm looking for. It is a quintessential "New York" movie. The city has never looked better, or seemed so filled with opportunity. It is not for someone whose heart is two sizes too small.
In fact, I have not seen it for several years--it was the first movie I ever taped off cable--in fear that I will be disappointed, and lose the love I had for it so many years ago.

And "Last Picture Show" "Paper Moon" and "Doc" are all classics.

Bogdanovich seemingly has now settled into a position as Orson Welles' official apologist--as if one was needed! He's doing a lot of DVD commentary for classic films--he's on one track of "Citizen Kane," for instance. His last book, "Who the Hell Made it," is a great read for those of us who loved the Hawks/Ford/Welles/Stevens/Wellman era of movie-making.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 12:24 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Hard to "laugh" when Bogdanovich's "Playmate" girlfriend (Dorothy Statten) was brutally murdered before the film's release. He cast, (or, miscast) her in this film, and I think that was part of the critic's field day with bashing the film..Not a bad film looking back, but it does break ones heart to see Stratten so beautiful and vibrant, and wonder how it all had gone so terribly wrong..Sad..

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 12:30 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I've seen "Noises Off" and I'd seen a stage version of it before. I think Bogdanovich deserved credit for trying to transfer the zaniness of the stage version as much as he possibily could but I felt in the end this was the first instance I could clearly see why sometimes there are some things that work better on stage then on film.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 2:50 AM   
 By:   Chris Kinsinger   (Member)

Can anyone here tell us about Bob Fosse's last film, Star 80?
I know that it was all about the rise and tragic fall of Dorothy Stratten.
I've never seen the film.
Was Peter Bogdanovich portrayed in it? I recall that Cliff Robertson played Hugh Hefner (what a great piece of casting!), but that's about all I can remember.
Reviews, anyone?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

It is a quintessential "New York" movie. The city has never looked better, or seemed so filled with opportunity. It is not for someone whose heart is two sizes too small.

Nailed. Bravo, Jim.

...but it does break ones heart to see Stratten so beautiful and vibrant, and wonder how it all had gone so terribly wrong..Sad..

Yes.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 9:47 PM   
 By:   Michael Ware   (Member)

Star 80--
Roger Rees played a Bogdanovich-like director...I remember a bitter, angry film with a supercharged Eric Roberts performance as the murderous husband. Most unpleasant, I don't remember whether it was especially enlightening about that world, or if it was just a freakshow. I think it was real though, as opposed to Joel Schumacher exploitation. Bogdanovich's book expose about Stratten was absorbing, even more bitter and scathing in its attack on Hefner and that particular glamor-rot orbit, but I think it was damning enough that people just thought it was over the line. Say too much and you'll get dismissed...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 9:58 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Neither of the actresses who played Statten, even looked REMOTELY like her! Mariel Hemingway(who got breast implants for the movie version)and Jamie Lee Curtis, for the horrible "tv movie" version. Both are attractive women, but, Dorothy Statten??? I thought both versions were WAY over the top..I read Bogdanovich's book he wrote after Stattens death, and it was disturbing. He was obsessed with her..So much so that years after her death, He married Strattens younger sister, (who had surgery to make her apppearance more like Dorothy's.) Weird stuff..

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Michael Ware   (Member)

You're right, it was all that, come to think of it...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2001 - 10:37 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

The sad part of it all is, that Bogdanovich was a Hefner "buddy", went to the mansion, loved the attention, (and no doubt, the environs) and went after all that negatively in his book (the whole "Playboy" Hefner stuff) after her death. After all, that's where he met Dorothy in the first place. I lost a lot of respect for him. He was part of the whole "scene" himself, and he tried to come off as the righteous one in the whole thing. I think the man is still haunted over it, and forever shall be...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2001 - 9:20 PM   
 By:   Luscious Lazlo   (Member)

ANZALDIMAN tells it like it is, baby. Bogdanovich is a bimbo-mongering hypocrite who had no business insulting his soul-brother, Hugh Hefner.

I didn't catch the autumnal ambience of THEY ALL LAUGHED. But I certainly remember her as Miss August in PLAYBOY in 1979. She had a fantastic chest and delicious "bee-stung" kissy-kissy lips. Bogdanovich's subsequent marriage to Dorothy's sister can be interpreted as either a noble tribute to Dorothy or as a creepy betrayal of Dorothy. Personally, I think he's a first-class creep. And I have derived tremendous schadenfreude from his artistic decline (as delineated by Mr. Kinsinger).

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2001 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

She was "playmate of the year, 1980", and very sweet, and vunerable. I think she got taken advantage of by not only the sleaze husband (Paul Snider), but the whole "glitz" party crowd of the late 70's early 80's..The way she was murdered defies description. It's a sad, sad story, and a lot of peoples lives were changed forever...She would be about 40 years old now...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2001 - 3:00 AM   
 By:   Chris Kinsinger   (Member)

Does anyone have a clue as to how this Howard L thread suddenly became a Luscious Lazlo thread?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2001 - 3:19 AM   
 By:   Chris Kinsinger   (Member)

Wasn't Bogdanovich also OBSESSED with Cybil Shepherd (another gorgeous blonde)?
It certainly seemed that way to many film critics, who loathed Daisy Miller.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2001 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Chris,
The "authors" of threads have been bouncing around like super balls since the new board came on line. Sometimes, all you have to do is post, as Lazlo did, and he becomes "topic starter"..This happened to me a few times too...I'm sure Bill is aware of it, since I've sent him E-mails and posted on it, as I'm sure others have too..Hope it gets corrected, because it can get confusing!

 
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