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 Posted:   Dec 5, 2008 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Sean   (Member)

Got mine last week. "Goodbye Akton" is essential. Love Love Love that Barry sound!

cool

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2008 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

That's a goodie, but for me, I can't get enough of "Space Battle"
Kinda reminds me of the secondary Bond theme (from russia with love). Love the counterpoint.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2008 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)

That's a goodie, but for me, I can't get enough of "Space Battle"
Kinda reminds me of the secondary Bond theme (from russia with love). Love the counterpoint.


Question:

Do you mean "Space War"? I couldn't find a track titled "Space Battle". It does have that Bond sound you mentioned.

My favorite cover is the CD:



I just love that pulp look.

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2008 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Got mine in the mail today. Great, great stuff and the liner notes are even better.

"Imperial battleship - HALT THE FLOW OF TIME!"

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2008 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Hi,

I said I'd do a side-by-side comparison. Well, I lied. But I will answer the question about how it compares with the Silva Screen edition.

First of all, I believe I remember Ford Thaxton once informing me (or posting on a board) that when Silva Screen did Star Crash, the master tape was literally crumbling as they used it. If I'm mis-remembering, I'm sure he'll say so.

So, unless there is another master or I'm mistaken (both are possible), I didn't think this new CD would from the tapes - and listening to it, I think that's probably so. (I'm hoping Ford will tell us more about the production of this CD.)

It seems to me that this CD is basically the same digital transfer as the Silva Screen one, but with some additional work in something like ProTools to clean it up a bit.

One things I immediately noticed on first listen is this:

In track 9 at about 1:05 I noticed a 'stanza' of the music seemed to start just a tad too suddenly, as if there'd been a cut. I reviewed the Silva Screen version and was reminded that, on that CD, the stanza before 1:05 was damaged. I suspect the 'suddenness' I noticed was a repair job, perhaps taking one stanza and moulding it over the damaged one.

I also seem to think the sound has been processed a bit to add more 'attack' to the bass (e.g. at about 1:50 of that same track 9). But that could be my ears deceiving me.

The only other obvious thing on 1st list is that 'Red Ball Attack' is now 'Network Ball Attack'.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2008 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

It seems to me that this CD is basically the same digital transfer as the Silva Screen one, but with some additional work in something like ProTools to clean it up a bit.

So, Steve, in your considered opinion, which is the "definitive" version of this album? The "raw", slightly messier Silva disc or the "cleaner" but (over?) processed La-La disc?

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2008 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

First, this is a BUYSOUNDTRAX release, not LaLaLand Records.

Second, why would you describe the sound on this is as "over" processed? I don't see this in Steven's review. Have you listened to the clips on the BSX site? You should be able to tell rather quickly that this sounds better than the Silva presentation.

I'm biased here but, to my ears, this is a sonic improvement across the board to the previous Silva Screen release of STARCRASH.

I don't think I'm alone in this regard.

 
 Posted:   Dec 9, 2008 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

That's a goodie, but for me, I can't get enough of "Space Battle"
Kinda reminds me of the secondary Bond theme (from russia with love). Love the counterpoint.


Question:

Do you mean "Space War"? I couldn't find a track titled "Space Battle". It does have that Bond sound you mentioned.

My favorite cover is the CD:



I just love that pulp look.


Woops! yeah, Space War.

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2008 - 12:35 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I defnitely think the BSX edition sounds better. The work they've done does improve it in my opinion. And it's nice to have it in a CD with its own art.

One thing I would have loved is this:

As many of you know, the BSX / Silva CD doesn't follow the original album assembly. The new assembly definitely makes more sense. But I'm nostalgic for the original album. Also, I forget which track it is, but one track on the original album had a longer intro (curtailed on the Silva / BSX presentation, due to master tape damage I believe).

(In that sense, to answer an earlier question, you could actually say the original vynil - which predates any master tape damage and repair - is the most pure presentation, sonically. But that's not much use as we're not in the vynil age anymore, and that's quite a rare vynil anyway. Besides, BSX has done a very good job of restoring the score. The Silva version revealed damage in only a few places and the restored version on BSX does sound good.)

I'd have loved it if the original album assembly was also on the CD as a bonus, perhaps transferred from the vynil. Or, at least an LP transfer of that one track.

That said, this is me thinking "what's the absolute most brilliant thing that could have happened for a sad collector like me". I'd never expect that level of commitment to what is a fairly 'fringe' CD. BSX have done a great job as it is and I'm pleased - even though I don't think this is great Barry (I like the 'insides' of the score, but I think the main title is cheesy and actually a bit embarrassing!) - that this score has had the love-and-care presentation it has.

I have to re-emphasise that I'm working from an unreliable memory here. That's why I'm hoping Ford will tell us the definitive story about the story about the 'making of' this CD.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2008 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Neil S. Bulk   (Member)

I just got this CD and heard the score for the very first time. It's wonderful!

Neil

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2008 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I defnitely think the BSX edition sounds better. The work they've done does improve it in my opinion. And it's nice to have it in a CD with its own art.

One thing I would have loved is this:

As many of you know, the BSX / Silva CD doesn't follow the original album assembly. The new assembly definitely makes more sense. But I'm nostalgic for the original album. Also, I forget which track it is, but one track on the original album had a longer intro (curtailed on the Silva / BSX presentation, due to master tape damage I believe).

(In that sense, to answer an earlier question, you could actually say the original vynil - which predates any master tape damage and repair - is the most pure presentation, sonically. But that's not much use as we're not in the vynil age anymore, and that's quite a rare vynil anyway. Besides, BSX has done a very good job of restoring the score. The Silva version revealed damage in only a few places and the restored version on BSX does sound good.)

I'd have loved it if the original album assembly was also on the CD as a bonus, perhaps transferred from the vynil. Or, at least an LP transfer of that one track.

That said, this is me thinking "what's the absolute most brilliant thing that could have happened for a sad collector like me". I'd never expect that level of commitment to what is a fairly 'fringe' CD. BSX have done a great job as it is and I'm pleased - even though I don't think this is great Barry (I like the 'insides' of the score, but I think the main title is cheesy and actually a bit embarrassing!) - that this score has had the love-and-care presentation it has.

I have to re-emphasise that I'm working from an unreliable memory here. That's why I'm hoping Ford will tell us the definitive story about the story about the 'making of' this CD.

Cheers


Posting from 28 Aug 07:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=44506&forumID=1&archive=

FTAO MusicMad

The LP and CD release of Starcrash contains exactly the same content.

Most kind - just sequenced differently (joining/splitting some cuts, etc.)?

The LP has 12 tracks whilst the CD has 13. Given the timings (per STC) are 36:30 / 33:46 respectively it looks as though the CD is missing some pieces (despite the extra track).

For example, the timings of the End Title are 3:40 / 2:53 so I wonder whether the LP merely duplicated some of the music.


I must check to see if I still have a recording of the Lp version. I'm so used to the CD release that the vinyl release would sound strange now.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2008 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Starcrash and Doctor Who seaspn 4 were waiting for me when I got home last night.

Gonna play 'em in just a bit after I'm a little more awake.

Thanks again to Mark & BSX for that cool Torchwood bonus disc.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2009 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   panavision   (Member)

I just got this CD and heard the score for the very first time. It's wonderful!

Neil


I agree. I can't stop listening to it today.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2009 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

I'm a big fan of this score. Ironically it is one of those scores a number of Barry die-hards are lukewarm about. Go figure.

 
 Posted:   Jun 9, 2014 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Saw Starcrash for the first time in my life. (on Netflix) Obviously the music is it's only saving grace. Though I wonder what JB was watching when he scored the film? The music doesn't fit the film at all. Samples on Amazon sound amazingly good!

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2017 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Managed to snag myself a copy of the original french LP of this and after a few plays I have noticed a few differences between it and the CD's. It made me think about the old Soundtrack Album Odditys column in FSM back in the day.
Since the Silva Screen and BSX CD's are basically the same save the suite of edited cues, the comparisons refer to the latest BSX edition.
Most of the track titles and running times on the LP are completely erroneous which both the Silva Screen and BSX editions largely corrected. The LP on the other hand has an overall warmer sound with a little more clarity.

So here we go...

Main Title = this is actually 'End Title' on the CD. The arrangement here features a snappier, more linear beat ticking away on the drum machine as well as a variation to the dramatic bridge sections. This version went unused in the film so it's arguable which cue was infact Barry's intended main title.

Hyper Space = 'Escape Into Hyperspace' on the CD.

Larkons Space City = 'Captured' on the CD. The LP version of this track features about 30 secs of intro material not present on the CD. I have no clue who Larkon was much less his city?

The Haunted Stars = 'Beach Landing' on the CD. The damage/dropout that occurs at 1.35 of the CD track seems to be absent on the LP.

The Trogs Attack = 'Strange Planet /Troggs Attack' on CD
The LP version of this track features 1.00 min of extra music not present on the CD.

Stella's Theme = "Goodbye Akton' on the CD

Red Ball Attack and Space Walk = This piece comprises two cues that were seperated for the CD release; 'Network Ball Attack' and 'Launch Adrift'. From memory I think Red Ball Attack is chronologically the first cue to appear in the film.

Battle at Space Fortress = 'Heading for Zarkon' on the CD

Actons Laser Fight = Actually 'Space War' on the CD. It's been mentioned a few times that this cue was damaged prior to its presentation on CD with material tracked in from a similar section of the score for a seamless fix. Where exactly I have no idea, but after comparing the two cue's numerous times, apart from possibly some subtle differences in the performance of the LP cue early on, I really can't tell.

The Ice Planet = 'Akton Battles the Robots' on the CD. The right channel drops out for the first few seconds of this track on my copy of the LP. Problem could be in the pressing itself.

The First Circle of the Universe = A combination of two cues from the CD; 'The Ice Planet' and 'The Emperors Speech'.

End Title = 'Main Title' on the CD. This cue is used as both the Main and End Title in the film.


Overall it seems there is about 1.30 of extra music on the LP.
If I discover any other anomallys I'll add them here.

 
 Posted:   Aug 31, 2017 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I recall doing some similar comparisons (not as much detail, though) when I bought my first copy of Starcrash (1978) on CD (Silva release), finding that the LP~CDr transfer I had made ran slightly longer this pristine CD release.

I also recall this was discussed some years ago and I've found this posting by Mr. Thaxton, 14 Nov 08, in response to the query:
You might be referring to StarCrash - there's a track that was damaged (available on the LP), so the producers put an alternate, very similar but missing a few bars.

Alex


FYI,

To be honest Mr. Barry Cheated a bit on seqenece this in the first place.

The track is made of three parts


1.) The First section is pretty much ESCAPE INTO HYPERSPACE reused

2.) The Mid-section (Which was damaged) is really just a good amount of the Main Title reused, what was missing was a few vamped bars to fit the picture

3.) The Third section it appears to be written for the end of the scene...

Given the film, I don't blame him for not spending that much time on it....

Ford A. Thaxton


see: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=55082&archive=0

 
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