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Hi,
I said I'd do a side-by-side comparison. Well, I lied. But I will answer the question about how it compares with the Silva Screen edition.
First of all, I believe I remember Ford Thaxton once informing me (or posting on a board) that when Silva Screen did Star Crash, the master tape was literally crumbling as they used it. If I'm mis-remembering, I'm sure he'll say so.
So, unless there is another master or I'm mistaken (both are possible), I didn't think this new CD would from the tapes - and listening to it, I think that's probably so. (I'm hoping Ford will tell us more about the production of this CD.)
It seems to me that this CD is basically the same digital transfer as the Silva Screen one, but with some additional work in something like ProTools to clean it up a bit.
One things I immediately noticed on first listen is this:
In track 9 at about 1:05 I noticed a 'stanza' of the music seemed to start just a tad too suddenly, as if there'd been a cut. I reviewed the Silva Screen version and was reminded that, on that CD, the stanza before 1:05 was damaged. I suspect the 'suddenness' I noticed was a repair job, perhaps taking one stanza and moulding it over the damaged one.
I also seem to think the sound has been processed a bit to add more 'attack' to the bass (e.g. at about 1:50 of that same track 9). But that could be my ears deceiving me.
The only other obvious thing on 1st list is that 'Red Ball Attack' is now 'Network Ball Attack'.
Cheers
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I defnitely think the BSX edition sounds better. The work they've done does improve it in my opinion. And it's nice to have it in a CD with its own art.
One thing I would have loved is this:
As many of you know, the BSX / Silva CD doesn't follow the original album assembly. The new assembly definitely makes more sense. But I'm nostalgic for the original album. Also, I forget which track it is, but one track on the original album had a longer intro (curtailed on the Silva / BSX presentation, due to master tape damage I believe).
(In that sense, to answer an earlier question, you could actually say the original vynil - which predates any master tape damage and repair - is the most pure presentation, sonically. But that's not much use as we're not in the vynil age anymore, and that's quite a rare vynil anyway. Besides, BSX has done a very good job of restoring the score. The Silva version revealed damage in only a few places and the restored version on BSX does sound good.)
I'd have loved it if the original album assembly was also on the CD as a bonus, perhaps transferred from the vynil. Or, at least an LP transfer of that one track.
That said, this is me thinking "what's the absolute most brilliant thing that could have happened for a sad collector like me". I'd never expect that level of commitment to what is a fairly 'fringe' CD. BSX have done a great job as it is and I'm pleased - even though I don't think this is great Barry (I like the 'insides' of the score, but I think the main title is cheesy and actually a bit embarrassing!) - that this score has had the love-and-care presentation it has.
I have to re-emphasise that I'm working from an unreliable memory here. That's why I'm hoping Ford will tell us the definitive story about the story about the 'making of' this CD.
Cheers
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I just got this CD and heard the score for the very first time. It's wonderful!
Neil
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Dec 14, 2008 - 2:57 PM
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MusicMad
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I defnitely think the BSX edition sounds better. The work they've done does improve it in my opinion. And it's nice to have it in a CD with its own art.
One thing I would have loved is this:
As many of you know, the BSX / Silva CD doesn't follow the original album assembly. The new assembly definitely makes more sense. But I'm nostalgic for the original album. Also, I forget which track it is, but one track on the original album had a longer intro (curtailed on the Silva / BSX presentation, due to master tape damage I believe).
(In that sense, to answer an earlier question, you could actually say the original vynil - which predates any master tape damage and repair - is the most pure presentation, sonically. But that's not much use as we're not in the vynil age anymore, and that's quite a rare vynil anyway. Besides, BSX has done a very good job of restoring the score. The Silva version revealed damage in only a few places and the restored version on BSX does sound good.)
I'd have loved it if the original album assembly was also on the CD as a bonus, perhaps transferred from the vynil. Or, at least an LP transfer of that one track.
That said, this is me thinking "what's the absolute most brilliant thing that could have happened for a sad collector like me". I'd never expect that level of commitment to what is a fairly 'fringe' CD. BSX have done a great job as it is and I'm pleased - even though I don't think this is great Barry (I like the 'insides' of the score, but I think the main title is cheesy and actually a bit embarrassing!) - that this score has had the love-and-care presentation it has.
I have to re-emphasise that I'm working from an unreliable memory here. That's why I'm hoping Ford will tell us the definitive story about the story about the 'making of' this CD.
Cheers
Posting from 28 Aug 07:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=44506&forumID=1&archive=
FTAO MusicMad
The LP and CD release of Starcrash contains exactly the same content.
Most kind - just sequenced differently (joining/splitting some cuts, etc.)?
The LP has 12 tracks whilst the CD has 13. Given the timings (per STC) are 36:30 / 33:46 respectively it looks as though the CD is missing some pieces (despite the extra track).
For example, the timings of the End Title are 3:40 / 2:53 so I wonder whether the LP merely duplicated some of the music.
I must check to see if I still have a recording of the Lp version. I'm so used to the CD release that the vinyl release would sound strange now.
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Aug 31, 2017 - 1:54 AM
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MusicMad
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I recall doing some similar comparisons (not as much detail, though) when I bought my first copy of Starcrash (1978) on CD (Silva release), finding that the LP~CDr transfer I had made ran slightly longer this pristine CD release.
I also recall this was discussed some years ago and I've found this posting by Mr. Thaxton, 14 Nov 08, in response to the query:
You might be referring to StarCrash - there's a track that was damaged (available on the LP), so the producers put an alternate, very similar but missing a few bars.
Alex
FYI,
To be honest Mr. Barry Cheated a bit on seqenece this in the first place.
The track is made of three parts
1.) The First section is pretty much ESCAPE INTO HYPERSPACE reused
2.) The Mid-section (Which was damaged) is really just a good amount of the Main Title reused, what was missing was a few vamped bars to fit the picture
3.) The Third section it appears to be written for the end of the scene...
Given the film, I don't blame him for not spending that much time on it....
Ford A. Thaxton
see: http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=2&threadID=55082&archive=0
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It's utterly amazing this score is still in print and I'm thrilled it is. After listening to it on Amazon music (which in itself surprised me), I took a shot, did a search and bam! $16 plus shipping and it was mine.
This is such a nice score for an utterly awful film. It's amazing such a low budget flick could even float John Barry. It's a lovely score done during his "lush compositions" period. A great companion to Moonraker and The Black Hole.
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I soaked up this utterly preposterous movie mainly for the score, which I've owned on cassette since I started soundtracking. Something about a nubile warrior sleeping with a robot in an open wilderness just clicked with me.... and yes, I mean actual "sleeping". Nothing beats Italian space opera for sheer WTFness (okay, maybe a giallo). I recommend it for anyone who thinks GoBays is a bad movie. Perspective does an opinion good.
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I recall Barry saying in an interview that he orchestrated this score himself, perhaps because his fee soaked up the entire music (and creativity) budgets.
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