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 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 7:48 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Just found a used DVD of the early 80's film The Salamander. Going to watch it tonight and hear Jerry Goldsmith's score for the FIRST TIME. It's almost like going to see/hear a brand new Jerry score as if he was still with us. I'll drop by later and submit my capsule review...

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 9:22 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Main titles dude.
Kick major buttocks.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:01 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

...yep, and that's abouuuut it. Holy moly yet another Jerry stinker. I see why this film came and went back in 1981 there's really nothing to recommend. Some really bad acting, a clunker of a script, and even a fairly routine Goldsmith score...which is a surprise when you consider his amazing output during this time. Maybe it was a scheduling thing (not enough time) or he was exhausted after The Final Conflict (not sure which came first though), whatever the case the main titles are about the best thing in the score. Ok, the love theme is fairly lovely, as are most of Goldsmith's love themes...

Just realized the title of this thread may be leading people to think that this score is finally getting a release...better change that.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

...yep, and that's abouuuut it. Holy moly yet another Jerry stinker. I see why this film came and went back in 1981 there's really nothing to recommend. Some really bad acting, a clunker of a script, and even a fairly routine Goldsmith score...which is a surprise when you consider his amazing output during this time. Maybe it was a scheduling thing (not enough time) or he was exhausted after The Final Conflict (not sure which came first though), whatever the case the main titles are about the best thing in the score.

Just realized the title of this thread may be leading people to think that this score is finally getting a release...better change that.


Why did Goldsmith commit to such crap? A dilemma for the ages. Hacky.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

On the director commentary track Jerry's score is talked about right at the beginning and apparently Jerry had said to the director that he would do anything to do the film! Apparently the novel is quite strong, maybe Goldsmith read it and sought out the project based on that.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Wow, I just took a glance at Goldsmith's IMDB page and saw that he wrote 7(!) scores in 1981 - INCHON, RAGGEDY MAN, OUTLAND, MASADA, THE FINAL CONFLICT, NIGHT CROSSING, and THE SALAMANDER. I guess he had to have one mediocre score out of all those!

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

On the director commentary track Jerry's score is talked about right at the beginning and apparently Jerry had said to the director that he would do anything to do the film! Apparently the novel is quite strong, maybe Goldsmith read it and sought out the project based on that.

Maybe. That's speculation. This movie was such a blip on the radar, I frankly don't recall it playing theatrically in Dallas-Ft. Worth. When someone mentioned that he did the score around that time, I said, "Okay" and it never showed up. As a movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:27 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

On the director commentary track Jerry's score is talked about right at the beginning and apparently Jerry had said to the director that he would do anything to do the film! Apparently the novel is quite strong, maybe Goldsmith read it and sought out the project based on that.

Maybe. That's speculation. This movie was such a blip on the radar, I frankly don't recall it playing theatrically in Dallas-Ft. Worth. When someone mentioned that he did the score around that time, I said, "Okay" and it never showed up. As a movie.



There's an interview with the film's star, Franco Nero in the supplements and he is asked what happened with the US distribution for the film. He said that ironically it was never released in the US or Italy, where the film was shot. He didn't know why they couldn't secure distribution rights in the States.

 
 Posted:   Aug 21, 2008 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

On the director commentary track Jerry's score is talked about right at the beginning and apparently Jerry had said to the director that he would do anything to do the film! Apparently the novel is quite strong, maybe Goldsmith read it and sought out the project based on that.

Maybe. That's speculation. This movie was such a blip on the radar, I frankly don't recall it playing theatrically in Dallas-Ft. Worth. When someone mentioned that he did the score around that time, I said, "Okay" and it never showed up. As a movie.



There's an interview with the film's star, Franco Nero in the supplements and he is asked what happened with the US distribution for the film. He said that ironically it was never released in the US or Italy, where the film was shot. He didn't know why they couldn't secure distribution rights in the States.


At least he got paid for it. Does it strike anyone that Goldsmith was rather sloppy in business decisions and contracts?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 1:06 AM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I don't entirely agree with your assessment of this score, peterproud.

Granted, this is not a greatest movie ever made but I think Jerry's music for the film is much better than you give it credit.

The score was written around the same time he composed the music for THE FINAL CONFLICT and SALAMANDER definitely has some shades of FINAL CONFLICT in it. Right after that awesome main title, we get a great piece of music with orchestra and choir that could have come right out of THE FINAL CONFLICT.

And there is also some cool action writing for some of the chase scenes in the movie. Vintage Goldsmith from the early 1980's...

I'd buy a CD of this in a hot second and I know I'm not alone. Since no one has been able to locate the original score elements, watching the movie is the only way to appreciate the score, unfortunately.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   Ratatouille   (Member)

The funeral sequence in the begin of the movie contains a strong choral cue "à la" Final Conflict !

Hope somebody can issue this music !

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 4:21 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

The funeral sequence in the begin of the movie contains a strong choral cue "à la" Final Conflict !

Hope somebody can issue this music !


I know what you mean but ,prior to the very Goldsmithian trumpet entering,isn't it mozart's requiem?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

The funeral sequence in the begin of the movie contains a strong choral cue "à la" Final Conflict !

Hope somebody can issue this music !


I know what you mean but ,prior to the very Goldsmithian trumpet entering,isn't it mozart's requiem?



It's actually from Verdi's Requiem...the director commented during the commentary that he'd chosen that piece himself for the opening sequence.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

The funeral sequence in the begin of the movie contains a strong choral cue "à la" Final Conflict !

Hope somebody can issue this music !


I know what you mean but ,prior to the very Goldsmithian trumpet entering,isn't it mozart's requiem?



It's actually from Verdi's Requiem...the director commented during the commentary that he'd chosen that piece himself for the opening sequence.


Well spotted.I knew I had it somewhere.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Goldsmith did Masada, Inchon and The Final Conflict in 1980, but they were all released the following year. He spent a full 6 months on Masada, and that was only half the miniseries. The Salamander was done right after Conflict, and before Outland.

There was an interview with Goldsmith at the time where he politely stated that he did The Salamander because he liked the book, but that the movie was "a little different".

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

There was an interview with Goldsmith at the time where he politely stated that he did The Salamander because he liked the book, but that the movie was "a little different".

Plus, of course, the adapted screenplay was by Rod Serling who's name was on previous Goldsmith projects such as (obviously) The Twilight Zone, The Loner, The Man and Planet Of The Apes.

I guess it was a case of great book + Rod Serling adaptation = sure fire classic. Alas it wasn't to be.

Great score though!!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2008 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I really do like this Goldsmith Score.

A few years back a friend made me a nice compilation of all the music from the film, which in Running Time, comes out to a very nice just over 42 minutes of score.

What a great Main Theme and the Love Theme is beautiful with lovely European/Italian flavoring. Great Goldsmith action writing, orchestrations and interesting metalic effects are also incorporated into this fun and engaging score. Also, the "Final Conflict" like chorale sequence is superb.

Here are my Homemade track titles:

THE SALAMANDER - ORIGINAL SCORE Jerry Goldsmith

1. Main Titles
2. Conspirators
3. Conspirators Chorale
4. Woodpecker
5. Riot Control Training
6. The Pantoleone Papers
7. Torture / Over the balcony
8. Love Theme Dante & Lili
9. Car Chase Shootout
10.Important Friends / The Situation
11.The Payoff
12.Dante & Lili - Until Tomorrow
13.Love Theme Variation / Surprise Attack
14.Love Theme - Where will you go?
15.Hired Killer
16.The Salamander
17.Do we still have a deal? / Death
18.Searching
19.More Torture and Madness
20.Love Theme / September 21st
21.Finally Leporello
22.The Arrests
23.Dante & Lili - Goodbye Dante
24.Salamander Theme / Love Theme Finale

Yes, I would definitely purchase a CD Soundtrack Release of this wonderful Jerry Goldsmith score!

Zoob


The Lost Goldsmith Cue

JOCK-STRAP WRESTLING IN ROME

Featuring Franco Nero as Dante and the guy who played Brutus in POPEYE.

Trying to keep Nero's Ballsack from escaping was a nightmare, but the special effects team rose to the challenge.

WARNING - NOT FOR THE SQUEAMISH

Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSnTtyr1_g

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2017 - 9:50 PM   
 By:   RM Eastman   (Member)

The film may be a stinker? however Goldsmith's score is superb. Goldsmith's reconstructed score on the Tadlow label is not to be missed!!

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2017 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The funeral sequence in the begin of the movie contains a strong choral cue "à la" Final Conflict !

Hope somebody can issue this music !


I know what you mean but ,prior to the very Goldsmithian trumpet entering,isn't it mozart's requiem?



It's actually from Verdi's Requiem...the director commented during the commentary that he'd chosen that piece himself for the opening sequence.


Well spotted.I knew I had it somewhere.


I don't know what's in the movie (have not seen it), but the cue on CD as recorded by Tadlow is clearly inspired by Mozart's, not Verdi's Requiem, though it is not a quote, but an original Goldsmith composition all the way through and not just when the trumpet enters.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2017 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

I have to say, since enjoying the wonderful Tadlow recording, I have grown to appreciate this score much more than when I first heard it in the film. It's funny, even though I'm gaga for Goldsmith, some of his works have left me cold initially and then when I inevitably purchase the score (cuz I'm gaga) Jerry almost always wins me over. That happened for me with Deep Rising, Dennis The Menace and a few more I can't recall at the moment.

Also, I think earlier posters are correct, the choral music seems much more inspired by Mozart's Requiem, though Im not overly familiar with Verdi's...I think it was a case of the director getting it wrong in the commentary.

 
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