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 Posted:   Jun 12, 2008 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   darklordsauron   (Member)

Will this ever get released, considering Baby got released and that Varese just re/released another Disney title in their VCL offerings? This is one of those ultra hard to find scores. I'd buy a dozen copies if it came out. Can Lukas, Doug (does he even post here?), or Ford comment?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   atrac   (Member)

This is one of those ultra hard to find scores.

I take it you are not referring to the Elton John/Hans Zimmer release, as it's readily available, especially as the "Special Edition" released in 2003: http://www.amazon.com/Lion-King-Special-Various-Artists/dp/B0000CABJ2/

Or are you referring to a score only release of some kind?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 5:14 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

There is an interview with Zimmer in the FSM newsletter where he states that the music on the cd is ALL the music he felt should be there.
He is very picky about things like that and although you and I would love to have more music I think Zimmer has put out all we are liekly to getfrown

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 5:15 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

btw there isn't a boot or a FYC floating out there either. i checked

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 5:34 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Disney might be willing, if prodded enough, to license out minor catalogue items like "Baby" or a rejected Bernstein score. But they will never, ever let an "evergreen" property like "The Lion King" out of their family of labels.

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Wasn't there a foreign release with, like, two extra tracks or something?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 9:11 PM   
 By:   darklordsauron   (Member)

Thanks for the info Bruce.

There is apparently an FYC and a copy of the recording sessions, but that is in the hands of only a few people. It's pretty much locked up.

And yeah I was referring to a more complete version, not the soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2008 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Wasn't there a foreign release with, like, two extra tracks or something?

Some international editions, like the Spanish and German ones, do contain an extra four minute track of score called Hyenas. Also, at least on the Spanish release, the ending choral version of "The Circle of Life" during The King of Pride Rock is also sung in Spanish.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2008 - 10:46 PM   
 By:   Ravi Krishna   (Member)

Disney might be willing, if prodded enough, to license out minor catalogue items like "Baby" or a rejected Bernstein score. But they will never, ever let an "evergreen" property like "The Lion King" out of their family of labels.

If they don't intend to sell the rights nor will they release it themselves, what do they intend to do with it? Let it lay gathering dust in their shelves till it's completely worn out and useless? Or play basketball with it? razz

And I can't believe that Mr. Zimmer says that the music on the CD is all that needs to be there... if you watch the movie you can easily notice that three fourths of the highlights are missing. All I can say that the score tracks on the CD are just not enough for a good representation of the score! Not only are they overshort, but they're edited and pieced together from various portions of the film and not a good listening experience as such.

It's not fair, either, that only some people get to listen to the FYC and proper recording sessions while we have to live with either those four/five short cues on the OST or resort to getting that rubbish quality half mono bootleg. So please take some time to read and sign this petition to help us get the score released officially - www.petitiononline.com/LIONKING/petition.html

I know it's tough but unless we put in effort and perevere, this score might not see the light of the day. So help us save it! wink




 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2008 - 11:36 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

If they don't intend to sell the rights nor will they release it themselves, what do they intend to do with it? Let it lay gathering dust in their shelves till it's completely worn out and useless? Or play basketball with it? razz

Well, it's their music, they can do what they want with it. As it stands, the re-use and production costs would most likely not be worthwhile for the company to reissue with additional score tracks; it is the songs that sell this album to most people.

And I can't believe that Mr. Zimmer says that the music on the CD is all that needs to be there... Not only are they overshort, but they're edited and pieced together from various portions of the film and not a good listening experience as such.

Well, Zimmer is the one who put together those overshort tracks, and cues being mixed and matched within the tracks themselves is something that he always does when assembling and album.

If you don't like how they flow, it's a matter of taste more than anything else; as I've said in other threads, while John Williams is one of my favorite composers, he's one of my least favorite album producers, but while Elliot Goldenthal basically does the same thing as Williams and Zimmer in his album presentations, I tend to be more satisfied with his choices.

Regarding the combined length of the score cues, well, that's a decision that was made when the album went into production. As I indicated before, it is the songs that are of most importance with respect to selling this album to the most amount of people. The score is of much less interest to the general public.

It's not fair, either, that only some people get to listen to the FYC and proper recording sessions while we have to live with either those four/five short cues on the OST or resort to getting that rubbish quality half mono bootleg.

Well, the FYC promo was produced for a specific purpose, and nobody is supposed to have bootlegs at all.

Good luck with the petition, but expanding the album would probably be a pretty expensive prospect that Disney may not be interested in doing for an album that, as far as they're concerned, already sells just fine.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 12:01 AM   
 By:   vwing   (Member)

I've just always wondered why the Stampede cue was left out. If that was in there I think I would've been happy, that's really a fantastic action track.

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 1:55 AM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

The unreleased music is just plain magnificent. Arguably, The Lion King is Zimmer's best and most coherent work (whatever that means...). Uplifting, mysterious, wistful, triumphant...and with a touch of lightness that I've never heard from HanZ before or since.

It does deserve a full release. Somehow, somewhere, some time.

CK

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 2:22 AM   
 By:   Ravi Krishna   (Member)

Well, it's their music, they can do what they want with it. As it stands, the re-use and production costs would most likely not be worthwhile for the company to reissue with additional score tracks; it is the songs that sell this album to most people.

I'm aware of that, Swashbuckler, and also know most people want it only for the songs. But since Disney apparently don't have anything to do with the score, I am only thinking logically that there's no reason not to sell the rights of the score to Varese or something.

Regarding the combined length of the score cues, well, that's a decision that was made when the album went into production. As I indicated before, it is the songs that are of most importance with respect to selling this album to the most amount of people. The score is of much less interest to the general public.

I know that profit is the first thing record labels look into, but that doesn't mean score releases don't sell well - look at LoTR. And TLK certainly has the popularity, even if not as much as LoTR. A limited edition certainly will suffice for fans and they wouldn't have to put in too much money either. After all if Disney sells the rights then the buyer will pay for re-use fees etc. Intrada and Varese do it a lot. And for a release like TLK, I don't think they'll have any financial loss. They'll gain as a matter of fact.

Well, the FYC promo was produced for a specific purpose, and nobody is supposed to have bootlegs at all.

I never said anyone's supposed to have bootlegs, but I just wanted to point out the disparity among fans. That's with almost all scores, I agree, but nevertheless it's not comforting! razz And if the score is officially released, as it deserves to be, these bootleg stuffs will have no value.

Good luck with the petition, but expanding the album would probably be a pretty expensive prospect that Disney may not be interested in doing for an album that, as far as they're concerned, already sells just fine.

Thanks! And if Disney just sells the rights, they won't have to worry about the "expensive" part after all. They can just sell the rights of the score (I'm not sure how that's done but I bet it can surely be) because it's the songs they want and as for the score they can just hand it over to Intrada or someone and let them do the work.

Thanks all those who signed, and please keep it up! And I'll be much grateful if you can spread word about it a little and help it get more signatures (if you can)! smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Ravi Krishna   (Member)

I've just always wondered why the Stampede cue was left out. If that was in there I think I would've been happy, that's really a fantastic action track.

It's half present in the "...To Die For" track, but it's very severely edited and many good moments are missing (about a full 1 and a half minutes are cut :/ ). There are quite a lot more good stuffs missing too, like the FULL final battle scene! If Hans cut that out, I just don't see why he chose to cut the FULL thing out!! razz

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

While i would LOVE to have an expanded score cd i feel the existing one is a very satisfying listen (do you really want ten minutes of the stampede music?).
Add the songs and it cant be beat .

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 5:09 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

I've just always wondered why the Stampede cue was left out. If that was in there I think I would've been happy, that's really a fantastic action track.

It's half present in the "...To Die For" track, but it's very severely edited and many good moments are missing (about a full 1 and a half minutes are cut :/ ). There are quite a lot more good stuffs missing too, like the FULL final battle scene! If Hans cut that out, I just don't see why he chose to cut the FULL thing out!! razz


I, too, love the "final battle" cue - a fine score, indeed. I would love to see an expanded CD released...:-)

 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2008 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Ravi Krishna   (Member)

While i would LOVE to have an expanded score cd i feel the existing one is a very satisfying listen (do you really want ten minutes of the stampede music?).
Add the songs and it cant be beat .


Personally, I feel more than three fourths of the good music is left out. The cues on the album are just way too short to be enjoyable, especially the King of Pride Rock track. And yes, each and every second of the Stampede music is thrilling to me and I'd even like ten minutes of it! big grin

Just my opinion. But this score just needs an expanded release IMHO. wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2008 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

thats the first on-line petition i ever signed!

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2008 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Maybe when the next "anniversary" comes around Disney will do an expanded edition.

The perfect solution: a 2-cd set with all the songs (including the added song for the Imax release) plus 40 plus minutes of score.

Done!
smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2010 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

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