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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

TITANIC does not get old! I've been listening to it on my iPod during my walks the past couple of days. It's as beautiful and fresh today as it was ten years ago.

I love the patience and confidence shown in the slow, extended vocalizations, like the first part of "Hymn to the Sea." Horner knows when a note is worth holding long, and then a pause is held, and then the slow notes come again. Horner was confident that it was good enough to savor, that he was evoking something gorgeous.

There's nothing worse than hearing a bit you really like, but it's too short and then it's gone. TITANIC serves nice, full portions of all its best themes.

For me BACK TO TITANIC is kind of wrecked by the dialog sound clips, which can seem to cheapen the experience by insulting our maturity. Some in the audience may be pining for Leonardo DiCaprio, but I'm here for the music. However BTT does have "The Portrait" cue.

TITANIC: THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION has an exquisite rendering of "The Portrait" piano solo. Better than Horner's own playing on BTT. And you get a bunch of other music to recommend it, too. I would go with this one for a second TITANIC CD rather than BTT.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I kind of like Back to Titanic as much as I like the original album. Although I'd still love to hear actual film score.

I have NO problem with dialogues, which as far as I remember can be skipped very easily. Suite at the end of the album and that action motif, which wasn't available on the 1st CD are worth the price of the CD alone. smile

Haven't heard that one in ages and I'll play BTT right when my own Philippe Rombi compilation ends. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I enjoy it. Not my favorite Horner score, but I spin it every so often. Curious to hear Back to Titanic now.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   ColSharpe   (Member)

I've recently bought Spiegel Edition (The Vinyl Classics). Cd looks like LP and playable side is black.

So far I had only cassette. In 1997 I got it as gift when I was ill and lying in bed at home. I liked it very much... Ah, sweet memories smile

Time to relisten!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

TITANIC does not get old! I've been listening to it on my iPod during my walks the past couple of days. It's as beautiful and fresh today as it was ten years ago.

I love the patience and confidence shown in the slow, extended vocalizations, like the first part of "Hymn to the Sea." Horner knows when a note is worth holding long, and then a pause is held, and then the slow notes come again. Horner was confident that it was good enough to savor, that he was evoking something gorgeous.

There's nothing worse than hearing a bit you really like, but it's too short and then it's gone. TITANIC serves nice, full portions of all its best themes.

For me BACK TO TITANIC is kind of wrecked by the dialog sound clips, which can seem to cheapen the experience by insulting our maturity. Some in the audience may be pining for Leonardo DiCaprio, but I'm here for the music. However BTT does have "The Portrait" cue.

TITANIC: THE ULTIMATE COLLECTION has an exquisite rendering of "The Portrait" piano solo. Better than Horner's own playing on BTT. And you get a bunch of other music to recommend it, too. I would go with this one for a second TITANIC CD rather than BTT.


Glad you like Titanic: The Ultimate Collection. Randy Miller did a great job conducting and you're right about Terry Trotter's reading of the piano solo - but then again, Terry Trotter is one of the great pianists working today - we've done about eleven albums together.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Glad you like Titanic: The Ultimate Collection. Randy Miller did a great job conducting and you're right about Terry Trotter's reading of the piano solo - but then again, Terry Trotter is one of the great pianists working today - we've done about eleven albums together.

No question about it. I think his name should have been in the credits, but I suppose that's a contractual matter.

BTW, the CD's page at Varese's website is messed up. Is it sold out or something?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Not sure if it's sold out or what - shouldn't be. That CD is my biggest seller out of the over 160 that I've personally done (not counting reissues or stuff like that). It spent about forty-two weeks on the Billboard classical crossover chart (entering at number two) - I don't think Varese ever had anything on a chart for that number of weeks, before or since, unless it was Ghost. Certainly, it was their biggest seller the year it came out, and certainly it's their biggest-selling rerecording ever. I didn't do many things that lost money there, but I like to say that Titanic paid for any sins I may have had, CD-wise.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   MoxFulder   (Member)

I enjoy it. Not my favorite Horner score, but I spin it every so often. Curious to hear Back to Titanic now.

I actually prefer this album greatly to the OST -- it's got all the stuff I liked from the score in one suite, plus lots of source stuff and the piano solo and some other ephemera.

The score, on the whole, frustrates me: parts of it are admittedly wonderful, but other parts grate on the nerves a bit. (I still love the movie and can't understand why it's so loathed now.)

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Yeah, let me echo the remarks on the piano solo on "The Portrait." I bought that CD originally for this piece, and it really is better than the original. Wacky!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

Shaun I did the exact same thing, bought it for the Portrait, and I must have listened to taht part SO many times. Glad they did a Volume 2 and put it on there. There are several parts of the score I wish were on the original SDTK, there is a pretty little piano tune/theme/melody when Rose looks at the artifacts early in the film, that is so pretty, that comes to play throughout the film, but it's no where on either sdtk and also the part at the end, when Rose, passes away and it pans across the pictures of things she got to do that she was going to do with Jack and then she joins him on the Titanic, that piece is great, man I would love to have that piece as well.
Over all, love the SDTK, and really loved the Varese album, great job Haines, by the way...

I was listening to Return to Oz, the second to last track, man that is some incredibly moving beautiful music!!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2008 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   Michael Condon   (Member)

there is a pretty little piano tune/theme/melody when Rose looks at the artifacts early in the film, that is so pretty, that comes to play throughout the film, but it's no where on either sdtk

I know exactley the piece of music that you are referring to, and agree that it is a beautiful cue. That first sequence where we hear the cue and Rose handles the artifacts is evocative of memories of long past, and is a beautiful cinematic moment on its own.

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2010 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I'm not the greatest Horner fan in the world but I do love this score. It works so well for the film. Away from the movie it has an emotional resonance that is really wonderful.

A great listening experience.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2010 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

you are all men/women of culture and taste.
i salute you!

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   10Arrows   (Member)

(I still love the movie and can't understand why it's so loathed now.)

What I wonder is why did it ever become so popular in the first place? I'm not knocking the movie; personally I enjoyed it immensely. And I could see it making a nice hefty profit. Just don't understand what chord it struck with audiences to make it rocket to the top grossing movie of all time (till Avatar). It's just not that good.

As for the score, I do enjoy it greatly. Definitely in the top five of my favorite Horner scores. It would be wonderful if they would ever release the complete score. The two cds that have been released are better than nothing, but don't make up for the lack of a complete score. Just please take the actor's voices out this time!

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   mdh721   (Member)

Love the score-- so many memories. I clearly remember being so disappointed that my favorite cue from the film was not on the initial album ("A Building Panic").

I was in 6th grade when Titanic came out (such a young pup!). I clearly remember Titanic fever-- it was truly the last big "event" movie IMO and nothing (not even Avatar, which I also loved) has come close to it since. Besides being a great film, there were some cultural factors that contributed to it's success--

The film truly had wide appeal- history buffs, action lovers, romance, high drama-- even some comedic scenes. It had Kate and Leo for the teens and established name actors that appealed to the adults. PG-13 also. In 1997 DVD hadn't really hit that big (or it was just starting to...can't remember). So home theaters and the sort only catered to Laserdisc owners and the majority of the world was VHS. Going to the theater was about the only way to enjoy a movie in great quality. There wasn't a 3 month window between theatrical and home video release-- so people HAD to see it or they'd be waiting for almost a year (I think it came out on VHS in September 1998).

The internet was also in its infancy so a lot of the push for the film happened on TV and radio. I remember countless documentaries, making-ofs, oprah appearances...media exposure EVERYWHERE (MTV, History Channel, Sci-Fi(!), etc.). "My Heart Will Go On" was a radio staple for a good chunk of the year. I don't really look at the box office as a measure of it's success-- I look at the cultural impact. Avatar might have made more money but the cultural impact was nowhere near Titanic proportions.

Would a 3+ hour film have that kind of impact today-- especially with DVD releases so soon after the theatrical run and the explosion of the internet? It was lighting in a bottle. It was a beautiful film that hit in the right place at the right time.

I think the success of it was the combination of a fantastic, timeless film with wide appeal + the cultural landscape of the times.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I get this out once in a while. I like the first several tracks, the upbeat tracks with a beat. Not a big big fan of the action stuff, don't get me wrong, it's good, but the Southhampton cue and those few around that are my favorite!!

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


. I don't really look at the box office-- I just remember the whole world going gaga over it. Avatar made more money and was a sort of "event" picture, but the impact was nowhere near Titanic proportions.

It was simply a well rounded and wonderfully crafted film with a lot of media hype leading up to it. BUT, it also struck at just the right moment/time in history and that is why it did so well. Would a 3+ hour film have that kind of impact today-- especially with DVD releases so soon after the theatrical run and the explosion of the internet? It was lighting in a bottle and I don't think it'll ever be repeated again. It was in the right place at the right time.

Michael


TITANIC was the number one grossing film in the country for 5 months. TWENTY f'n WEEKS INA ROW!
AVATAR was #1 for 5 weeks iirc.

that tells more about the relative cultural impact of the films than the total grosses.
Detractors always talk about the "hype" as if the public will buy anything if it is advertised enough (i can think of dozens of films that were more 'hyped than this one) More importantly, the press was overwhelmingly NEGATIVE!
The public made this film a hit - not critics or salesmen- and the snobs here just cant deal with it.

MY TAKE ON ITS SUCCESS.
IT has that mythic quality that touches the soul in all of us. STAR WARS, ET, THE LION KING, are other films that have it. Check out roger Ebert's essay on this posted below
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   mdh721   (Member)

*sorry bruce- I edited my post to reflect what I really meant. I do absolutely agree with you-- I wasn't talking negatively regarding the hype. Word of mouth was great and the film had incredible legs and just kept growing and growing.

Ultimately the quality of the film itself is what made it such a phenomenon and I've yet to see a movie since that's had such a wonderful balance of all those elements with such a timeless quality. Simply put, it had heart. Titanic had a huge impact on me and to this day it's still probably my favorite film.

The acting, music, design, story....ALL of it combined to make something truly special. It's a fantastic film that had the fortune to hit at just the right time in pop culture.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Titanic, LOVE the film, LOVE the story and LOVE the score.

Fabulous score, now if only someone would release a complete (Dialogue / Sound Effects free)
version, I'd be a very happy Titanic fan.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2010 - 1:05 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

gosh, isn't the cd 70 plus minutes?
if the only music missing is the action cues, i am content with what i have.

 
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