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 Posted:   Mar 6, 2015 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I thought this thread was bumped up because of today's news. The passing of Harve Bennett, one of the people who saved the Trek cinematic franchise. R.I.P. For that you have our eternal gratitude, Harve.

http://deadline.com/2015/03/harve-bennett-dies-star-trek-movie-producer-1201387026/

Greg Espinoza


Darn Darn and darn, been a hard week or so for Star Trek fans. Harve always seemed like a an honest down to earth guy, I saw him at a conference once right before Star Trek V. His comments on the DVD of V are really direct and honest about the failures, I thought it was shocking how direct he was. He could write a concise and no non-sense story about people and ideas, and make a movie that was ABOUT something. What a great talent he was, and though I never knew him, he seems like a really decent human being.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2015 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



Tho we had no direct contact with him, we knew enough about Mr. Bennett to substantiate your no-nonsense assessment about his character, Ado. The behind-the-scenes machinations between him and the cast weren't always of the most affirmative - especially when a few went over his head and placed an insurrectionary appeal to the fans instead.

As time went on, relations probably became a mite more bitter than publically known but this in no way diminishes what everyone connected accomplished ...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2015 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Okay, neo - you're opening up a serious can of worms here. Ranking these films is quite difficult, as they are all so different.

Thus I will merely provide you with a brief opinion (note the use of the word OPINION) on each one's strengths and weaknesses...


ST TMP:

Pros: Ambitious idea. Beautiful visual effects. Colossal, brilliant Goldsmith score. The cast is intact and still charming.

Cons: Baby blue uniforms. Slow pace. Decker/Ilia romance. Lack of narrative cohesion.


ST II:

Pros: Script, acting, effects, direction, music, everything. Especially MONTALBAN, who owns this film.

Cons: That Spock's death, effective as it was, derails the series for two more movies.


ST III:

Pros: Acting, directing, music. The Shat absolutely NAILS the death of his son, loss of the Enterprise, his conversation with Sarek at the end. Possibly his best performance out of all six films.

Cons: Writing, story logic. Chris Lloyd is a weak villain. An unsatisfying Enterprise/Bird of Prey battle, and a contrived demise for The Enterprise.


ST IV:

Pros: It's smart and entertaining. It made a boatload of cash. The crew gets a new Enterprise, the series gets back on track.

Cons: It looks cheap (from cinematography to locations to effects). The blonde is annoying. Kirk doesn't get to nail her. Leonard Rosenman (RIP) doesn't get it AT ALL.


ST V:

Pros: Ambitious idea. Has the feel and pacing of an episode from TOS. Goldsmith is back. Laurence Luckinbill brings energy to his role. DeForest Kelly plays the HELL out of his father's demise.

Cons: Poor visual effects, contrived plotting (Sybok/Spock business), clunky (albeit energetic) direction by Shatner, a COMPLETELY unsatisfying ending.


ST IV:

Pros: Great idea to end the series on. Nick Meyer is back. He takes the series out with class.

Cons: Stilted dialogue, a completely undeveloped villain (love Chris Plummer, and he looked great, but 90% of his dialogue was Shakespeare quotes). Music is good on its own, but I don't think it suits the movie. And we needed Saavik, not "Valeris" who was a thinly disguised replacement.

There you have it...


No you didn't!! you erroneously credited the last one as "ST: IV" instead of "VI"!

 
 Posted:   Mar 6, 2015 - 7:25 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

Harve Bennett is most certainly responsible for what I consider to be my favorite film series to date. The Original Star Trek movies. When he came on board for TWOK, things changed so much that something happened that nobody, not even the "I'm done with Trek" actors were expecting. People were having a really good time making the movie! A starch contrast during the making of TMP which not only was problematic in production and editing, but everyone thought the joy of doing Star Trek was all but gone. This Star Trek II will at least give us one more thing before we finally bow out.

Harve Bennett man. He not only saved Star Trek, he made it something worth doing for everyone involved. Doing another post-TWOK got Nimoy a directing gig not only for 3 but also 4 which became the one of the most successful Star Trek movies out there.

And what I love most of all is how these films connect with one another. Star Treks II, III, IV and VI connect with their themes very well and don't brush important story points under the rug. It's just one of those movie series that connects with each other and explores themes that actually get resolved instead of abandoned. Even though none of that was planned from day one, it wouldn't have happened without Harve.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2015 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



Quite tru (not Capote), Meester Jay. After the emotional operatics of II & III, Messrs. Nimoy
& Bennett
mutually concluded a serious lightening up was in galactic order, hence the Himalayan
entertainment of IV, a creatively intuitive hunch that was an absolutmundo accurate assessment.



The result was a rich alloy that spoke to audiences onna universal level - one more tribute to Mr.
Bennett
's artistic acumen ...

wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2015 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Voyage Home proved what film critics and film historians known for sometime. The genre or medium doesn't matter. As long as the audience can connect with the characters they will like the film.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2015 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

KIRK
(continuing to Scotty)
Mr. Scott, you old space dog. You're
well?
SCOTTY
I had me a wee bout -- but Dr. McCoy
pulled me through.
KIRK
Oh? A wee bout of what, Mr. Scott?
Uncomfortable, Scotty exchanges a glance with Bones --
BONES
Shore leave, Admiral.
KIRK
Ah.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2017 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 18, 2017 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)



Considering it's been awhile since this particular Appreciation has been resurrected, we just wanna implore those who haven't to get a copy - Pronto, Tonto - of Mr. Meyer's rich recollection of his Enterprising experiences.



We guarantee there's no way in any galaxy of universes you'll be even remotely bored ...

 
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