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 Posted:   Feb 4, 2008 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   King Prendergast   (Member)

"witch burning" -THE LAST VALLEY

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2008 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

"witch burning" -THE LAST VALLEY

That cue is INCREDIBLE. Beautiful yet dark and ghostly. And when the flames start....POWERFUL.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2008 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

It depends what you really mean by "dark". If you mean it in the sense of the score having a psychological darkness (as opposed to the music being orchestrated with melancholy sounds), the only really strong examples are two already mentioned: Boom and Dutchman.

I think things like Witch Burning and The Whisperers are 'doomladen' but not psychologically dark in the way things like Day Of The Locust (the ending, that is) and King Kong is. Seance On A Wet Afternoon is actually more 'sad' and pitiful than dark, IMO.

Cheers


Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2008 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

THE CHASE and KING RAT, but I can't think of anything darker than LION IN WINTER.

They all have upbeat moments. Actually, The Chase is a quite upbeat score, save for a few depressing ones. That's what makes Barry so special. You are ready to cut your wrist until you hear pure beauty.
King Rat has a wonderful march and a quite tragic main theme (but not dark). The rest of the score is completely downbeat. It's very raw and hard to follow.
The Lion In Winter, two words: Power and beauty. You have Barry's most powerful writing ever, and yet, you have celestial beauty. It's heaven set to music. Darkness creeps in here and there, but those two emotions sum it up, for me.

Alex


Then I don't get it. BOOM! is a caliope piece emphasizing the absurdity. PETULIA is hypnotic and cyclical like Herrmann's VERTIGO emphasizes the randomness of life. There is plenty of darkness there but a lot of other things too in your choices as well as mine.. The closest thing to a one note score would be IPCRESS FILE and that ain't it either.

 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2008 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   King Prendergast   (Member)

How about "return to scaramanga's funhouse" from Man With the Golden Gun, especially from 4:08 on. Granted this is the same year as DAY but i believe it was released before so it still comes "prior" to the the hollywood apocalypse cue. I'd argue thats as dark psyche as any Bond cue ever got.

An underrated film in my opinion as well. Always thought of it as something of a Bond chamber piece.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 5, 2008 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

How about "return to scaramanga's funhouse" from Man With the Golden Gun, especially from 4:08 on. Granted this is the same year as DAY but i believe it was released before so it still comes "prior" to the the hollywood apocalypse cue. I'd argue thats as dark psyche as any Bond cue ever got.

An underrated film in my opinion as well. Always thought of it as something of a Bond chamber piece.


You're right. Barry injects the chaotic, painful, dissonant string writing in the final Bond-Scaramanga confrontation.

Alex

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2016 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   King Prendergast   (Member)

What would we say is missing from this playlist?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2016 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Thunderball:
Switching the Body
The Spa
The Bomb

Deadfall:
The Meeting
The Last Deadfall
My Love Has Two Faces (instrumental)

You Only Live Twice:
Tanaka's World
Death Of Aki

The Knack:
Something's Up

Midnight Cowboy:
Science Fiction

The Lion In Winter:
The Herb Garden
How Beautiful You Make Me

Four In The Morning:
River Walk

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2016 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   King Prendergast   (Member)

Thunderball:
Switching the Body
The Spa
The Bomb

Deadfall:
The Meeting
The Last Deadfall
My Love Has Two Faces (instrumental)

You Only Live Twice:
Tanaka's World
Death Of Aki

The Knack:
Something's Up

Midnight Cowboy:
Science Fiction

The Lion In Winter:
The Herb Garden
How Beautiful You Make Me

Four In The Morning:
River Walk


yes, some excellent additions here

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2016 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   King Prendergast   (Member)

Thunderball:
Switching the Body
The Spa
The Bomb

Deadfall:
The Meeting
The Last Deadfall
My Love Has Two Faces (instrumental)

You Only Live Twice:
Tanaka's World
Death Of Aki

The Knack:
Something's Up

Midnight Cowboy:
Science Fiction

The Lion In Winter:
The Herb Garden
How Beautiful You Make Me

Four In The Morning:
River Walk


yes, some excellent additions here

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2016 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

I'm putting together a playlist of the so-called "dark barry" sound, but the catch being that I am limiting it to early incarnations of this style- i.e. before the official start of the period begun by the climactic cue of DAY OF THE LOCUST in 1974.
I'm thinking of tracks such as "Pain gone till tomorrow", "through caverns measureless to man", and "you've got more going for you than teeth" from BOOM!, "comprehendo?" from PETULIA, and "stalking the u-boat", and "stalking/destroy the enemy" from MURPHY'S WAR. Any more suggestions for such a playlist?


I query your inclusion of cues from MURPHY'S WAR. To the best of my knowledge, Barry composed the main theme only; the score proper was by Ken Thorne.

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2016 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I query your inclusion of cues from MURPHY'S WAR. To the best of my knowledge, Barry composed the main theme only; the score proper was by Ken Thorne.

No, Barry composed "themes" (plural) and not just the main theme. The credits are just not clear which themes or how many. The credit is clearly in the plural though. I think Barry composed all the raw thematic material but didn't actually 'score' the film. But all the thematic material Ken Thorne used to score the film was, I believe, Barry's.

On the CD, "Main Title", "Learning To Fly", "The Nurse", "The Village" and "End Title" all sound like they are very distinctly composed by Barry. "The Village" has a particularly strong sense of that "The Last Valley" period writing to it. "The Nurse" is a very Barry-esque love theme. And "Learning To Fly" just unfolds very classically like how Barry unfolds a dramatic piece.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Sep 27, 2016 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   David Ferstat   (Member)

Stephen, thanks for the clarification and correction.

I think the origin of my misunderstanding arises from the release of the score about 20 years or so ago (was this a boot?).

On that release I'm sure it stated that the score was as I remembered, and I also recall listening to the album and not recognising Barry in there at all. However, it's possible that 1) I don't remember arightly, and/or 2) the album had it wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 28, 2016 - 6:37 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Would the OP classify any of "The Ipcress File" as "dark Barry?"

 
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