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 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)



Piss, moan and wipe. The director asked for something and he liked it and it went to the CD. If you don't like it, fine, but cram the false intelliectualism.


For the record, I have no problem with using an electric violin or raga vocals in a film about Elizabeth I. Cast an eye over my false intellectualism again with that in mind, feeble mortal.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 4:29 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Cast an eye over my false intellectualism again with that in mind, feeble mortal.

Aye, take that tone with me again, cur, and I'll varish this floor with your brains. razz

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Well, I'll reserve judgement about the new film until I've seen it, but I'd defend the Hirschfelder. What no-one ever mentions is the influence of Bernard Herrmann in Hirsch and in parts of that film, notably the late night palace scenes.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 6:04 PM   
 By:   .   (Member)

(Incidentally, wouldn't that make all of Korngold's period scores glaring anachronisms, one and all?)


No. But if he'd used Vera Lynn singing the World War II favorite "We'll meet Again" instead of the song he used, he'd have been running Hirschfelder close.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 8:48 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)


No. But if he'd used Vera Lynn singing the World War II favorite "We'll meet Again" instead of the song he used, he'd have been running Hirschfelder close.


And all the Wagnerian derring-do from Erich doesn't merit a mention? A bit inconsistent, no?

Since my post above was evidently too subtly put to communicate the idea, I'll restate it: the only musical anachronism in ELIZABETH due to Hirschfelder is the allusion to Holst's Mars. The Mozart and Elgar come from the director.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2007 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

Well I thought the best scored sequence in ELIZABETH: THE GOLDEN AGE was the brief use of Hirschfelder's Volta/Love Theme.

While I enjoy the Armstrong/Rahman work, it didn't do so much for me in the film.

James

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2007 - 5:57 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

A lot of the humour and irony of the original film only works in Britain, and is in the CASTING.

There were three essentially comedy players in the film that made it quite daring. Eric Cantona, the French ambassador, was a famous footballer-turned-actor, Kathy Burke, who played Mary was not only an actress but a stand-up comedian very famous in the UK, and the chancellor was briefly played by Angus Deaton, a satirist (who later fell from grace in a cocaine/prostitution scandal). These three would have a great (Americans might say 'quirky') effect on audiences: 'This'll be a lark!' but that perspective is lost outside the UK. It's a slant that takes the film into very different territory from the usual historical pageant, and signalled to UK audiences that this was as much about today as about the past. So the music had to be quite universal.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I can't find a thread on the original Hirschfelder 'Elizabeth' score, so this'll have to do.


I just hit upon a CD with the marvellous source cue that was was used in the Armada ballet scene in the first film, where players are dancing, dressed as pantomime galleons for Elizabeth, as the camera follows on a dolly shot as Walsingham enters the room. The Spanish ambassadors are being made fun of.

Wonderful players and wonderful piece: see sample track 2 on 'Hermes' Invention':

http://www.soundset.com/cd_detail.php?disc=86


I was always eager to find this cue, and although another source piece made it to the first album, this did not.

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Whole track here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zC_qeBnbok


and another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v-KUtwZRYE

 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2015 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Yer actual film performance is from these folk:


http://www.move.com.au/disc/music-of-the-spanish-renaissance


"Music of the Spanish Renaissance
If you liked the period music used in the multi award-winning film ELIZABETH then you've already heard La CompaƱia perform ... but don't try to find them on the actual soundtrack album because you'll only find them here on this CD!
Featuring previously unreleased music heard in the ELIZABETH soundtrack!
"


There you go, it's official. The unreleased 'Elizabeth' source cues are here on this CD!

 
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