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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2007 - 3:02 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

What a beautiful score this is! This was my first Waxman cd back in 1994. The orchestrations are so vivid and colorful. Reminds me of stepping into a lush garden.

I guess the main point of this post is that I made a recent discovery regarding the Prologue. The Label X cd release has some distortion at the very beginning of the track. I guess it's "mag wow".

So I recently bought RCA's Film Music of Franz Waxman/The Film Composers Series, Vol. 3. (for a very reasonable $12)...and much to my surprise, they used a different source and the Prologue is distortion-free. So I'm happy now.

Is there much more music in the film? I haven't seen it. Anyone else enjoy this seldomly discussed gem?

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2007 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I finally broke down and bought the Hemingway box that Fox Home Video put out earlier this year SPECIFICALLY FOR this film. It didn't hurt, of course, that I got it via Amazon marketplace at 12 under Amazon's price (which is steep, IMO).

The movie is wonderful...original aspect ratio, spotless print, the sound is superb, and the score resonates. It's so beautiful on so many levels that I didn't really mind that Richard Beymer wasn't as convincing as he might have been (he's also not as BAD as some critics have led me to think he would be).

Funny thing...it's Paul Newman who drew the most praise for his performance as a beat-up boxer. It's HIS performance that really doesn't seem real to me at all.

But yes, Waxman's score is extraordinary.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2007 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, it's a fine score. Pretty nifty piano playing by one John Williams as well!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2007 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

I can think of only ONE piece that is not on the CD the opening spoken prologue that comes right after the main title ( this prologue was originally to be spoken by Hemingway himself, but he died during filming. It is spoken, uncredited, by Paul Newman).
Check out the film and you will find that at least half the score on the cd was edited out of the film. Who knows what else was written and recorded and didn't make it to either the film or recording.
Sadly, the orignal film was four channel stereo and the DVD is fake stereo only.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

"It is spoken, uncredited, by Paul Newman"

I think the above deserves its own thread.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   Nick Haysom   (Member)

Don't forget the 15min suite Elmer Bernstein conducted for the RCA 100 Years of Film Music series ("Sayonara").

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Don't forget the 15min suite Elmer Bernstein conducted for the RCA 100 Years of Film Music series ("Sayonara").

What is this Nick? I'm not familiar. Was it released on CD? Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

In a series of newly recorded film music released by BMG Germany ( and not released here)
Elmer did an album of Waxman music which included a suite from ADVENTURES ( that also shoved in one piece from Spirit of St.Louis).
the performance isnt all that good and does not include unreleased music.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

In a series of newly recorded film music released by BMG Germany ( and not released here)
Elmer did an album of Waxman music which included a suite from ADVENTURES ( that also shoved in one piece from Spirit of St.Louis).
the performance isnt all that good and does not include unreleased music.


Actually, Joe, it didn't have any music from SPIRIT; I did a thread on this cd last March. It contains music from TARAS BULBA, A PLACE IN THE SUN, SAYONARA and ADVENTURES OF A YOUNG MAN.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2007 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Actually, Joe, it didn't have any music from SPIRIT; I did a thread on this cd last March. It contains music from TARAS BULBA, A PLACE IN THE SUN, SAYONARA and ADVENTURES OF A YOUNG MAN.

It appears that the HEMINGWAY cue labeled "A Soldier Home" is actually "The Old Jenny" from SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2007 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Actually, Joe, it didn't have any music from SPIRIT; I did a thread on this cd last March. It contains music from TARAS BULBA, A PLACE IN THE SUN, SAYONARA and ADVENTURES OF A YOUNG MAN.

It appears that the HEMINGWAY cue labeled "A Soldier Home" is actually "The Old Jenny" from SPIRIT OF ST. LOUIS.



Ed, you are correct.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2007 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Ed, you are correct.

I wonder how slips like that happen. Not that I'm complaining: it's a great Waxman cue, and it seems at home with the HEMINGWAY score. Varese once mislabeled AFRICA's Main Title as 2001's Main Theme, but no harm done as it's a great cue and works as a kind of bonus track for the 2001 album.

Joe, I have a question for you: the cue labeled "Prologue" on the HEMINGWAY soundtrack is not actually the Prologue but the Main Title? It's been ages since I've seen the film (and I wasn't too impressed even though it's one of my favorite Waxman scores) so I assumed Newman's narration covered the second, quieter half of the cue. I'm not really sure about this one.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2007 - 11:02 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Ed, you are correct.

I wonder how slips like that happen. Not that I'm complaining: it's a great Waxman cue, and it seems at home with the HEMINGWAY score. Varese once mislabeled AFRICA's Main Title as 2001's Main Theme, but no harm done as it's a great cue and works as a kind of bonus track for the 2001 album.


Ed - you are correct. - the Prelude is really the Main title.
after the main title ends, comes the missing prologue cue with the Newman Narration.
I really like this film and am sad that Fox could not locate the missing true stereo tracks for the dvd.
there is so much great music in this score. the Main theme, the rossana love theme and much more. I hope someday we will get a reissue of this score, complete, and without the damn RCA soundtrack album reverb.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2009 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm enjoying this soundtrack right now.

Anyone else impressed by John Williams' almost impressionistic piano playing in "D.T. Blues"?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2009 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I was always impressed by the entire score -- one of my very favorite Waxmans. What makes the DT Blues impressionistic, of course, is not only Williams' playing but Waxman's eerie orchestration behind a purposely off-key piano.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2009 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I was always impressed by the entire score -- one of my very favorite Waxmans. What makes the DT Blues impressionistic, of course, is not only Williams' playing but Waxman's eerie orchestration behind a purposely off-key piano.

Indeed. I wonder what scene the music underscores.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 12, 2009 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I haven't seen the film for many years, Thor, unfortunately. If memory serves, the theme was written for the Dan Dailey character, the guy who goes from town to town promoting the carnival. I think the music -- and possibly the whole scene it accompanied -- was cut from the finished film. In which case, thank God for the RCA LP.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2009 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

terrific score . right up there with his PEYTON PLACE. just wish there was more, but still there is plenty of beautiful cues on the cd.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2009 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Is it just MY cd?.....

On the very first note of the score (on whichever Lasher label cd it is), it sounds like the original master was coming up to speed as it was being transferred for the disc assembly.

The note seems to "cut in" and there is a strange wavering "wow" in the music for a second or so.

Has anyone ever compared it to the LP....and if so, is it there, too?


This wonderful score seriously needs a remastering and expanding. The original CD must be 25 years old by now.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 13, 2009 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   Michael_McMahan   (Member)

Hi Manderlay -

As I mentioned in my first post, I was happy to discover that this cd:

http://www.amazon.com/Film-Music-Franz-Waxman-Composers/dp/B000008M5M/ref=sr_1_12?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1255457873&sr=1-12


includes a better mastered prologue, without the "wow". Great cd!

 
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