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 Posted:   Dec 25, 2007 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Thanks for that link Zap!

Even me, a Golden Age grinch, thinks this is a superb score.
i taped it on cassette from a library copy.

Now, hopefully I can own the original!

 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2014 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

I've never heard the recorded tribute, written by Gene Lees, read by actor Richard Hatch, that was included with the first issue of the re-recording.

Today was my first chance to read it. Here, someone appears to have transcribed it:

http://hugofriedhofer.runmovies.eu/?p=1050

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2014 - 6:38 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The scene with Fred Derry in the abandoned B17 with Friedhofer's masterful scoring (such as the orchestra simulating the sound of the plane's engines revving up and the trumpet blasts simulating the sound of machine gun fire), still packs a wallop today.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2014 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I do my best to watch this film at least once a year, usually around Veterans' Day or Memorial Day. It's a great film, but it's also hard to watch because of the emotions it grabs from you. Usually, by the end, I'm in tears. Friedhofer's score is magnificent. Each time I watch the film or listen to the CD I gain even MORE insight into each cue.

My favorite cue is "Homer Goes Upstairs." It's probably the most heartbreaking cue in the film, or any film. It accompanies the scene where Homer first shows his girlfriend his amputated arms and shows her what he has to go through each day and night to put on or take off his artificial limbs.

A fantastic score. It needs more recognition.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2014 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

The film is a miracle and one of the greatest ever made - every performance absolute perfection, with a screenplay and direction that are also perfect.

As to why the score doesn't get more attention? How short memories are. This score three decades ago was routinely listed as the greatest film score ever written. It's only with the subsequent generation's becoming obsessed with certain composers and genre scores that this has changed and today so many youngsters haven't a clew about it, and it's shameful, IMO.

This score is everything a film score should be. It has sequences that are so perfect that it takes the breath away - the entire homecoming scene - the bomber scene with Dana Andrews (this scene is textbook film scoring - all Dana Andrews does is sit there remembering - the music makes what he's remembering all too real - brilliant), the finale. It's one for the ages and one only wishes it could have a proper release like A Place in the Sun or It's a Wonderful Life, to mention two that we happily rescued from the trash heap.

It's on Blu-ray now - anyone who professes to love film and who hasn't seen this, should buy it immediately and see what great filmmaking and art is all about.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 21, 2014 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   arthur grant   (Member)



I also posted a clip and did a little write-up on this, the first of my Top Ten Motion Picture Music Treasures here: http://thecinemacafe.com/the-cinema-treasure-hunter/2013/11/17/top-ten-motion-picture-music-treasures

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

I know there's a music and effects track for this film, but is there anything else, even acetates, from which a CD could be made?

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I'd love a complete rerecording of this masterpiece...but since we at least have an album for it (albeit an earlier rerecording somewhat different from the original) I guess I should prioritize my Friedhofer rerecording prayers in the direction of Joan of Arc, an otherwise completely lost score...

On the other hand I guess Friedhofer isn't considered to sell well enough for either to come out. frown

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

On the other hand I guess Friedhofer isn't considered to sell well enough for either to come out. frown


Hi, Yavar.

I think Morgan & Stromberg mentioned that their re-recording of Friedhofer film music for Marco Polo was one of their poorest selling albums.



For me, this Friedhofer disc and their Malcolm Arnold re-recording are 2 of my favorite Marco Polo CDs.
I suppose this indicates how distant my tastes in music are from that which sells the most amongst customers over the past 15 years (such as the '80s & '90s blockbusters).

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Yes, but I do think it possible that Best Years or Joan of Arc could be more popular than the titles on that...the market's very different now. No wide distribution but to the collectors at a higher price maybe the more high profile Friedhofer scores have a chance. At least that's what I tell myself.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

On the other hand I guess Friedhofer isn't considered to sell well enough for either to come out. frown


Hi, Yavar.

I think Morgan & Stromberg mentioned that their re-recording of Friedhofer film music for Marco Polo was one of their poorest selling albums.



For me, this Friedhofer disc and their Malcolm Arnold re-recording are 2 of my favorite Marco Polo CDs.
I suppose this indicates how distant my tastes in music are from that which sells the most amongst customers over the past 15 years (such as the '80s & '90s blockbusters).


It was would be nice to see another Friedhofer C.D. of rerecordings with "Joan Of Arc" or maybe "The Secret Invasion". It's a pity, because the Morgan & Stromberg C.D. isn't bad.

 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 5:11 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

A rerecording of four great Friedhofer scores that sells poorly and the greatest score in history that many film music fans today don't even know about - o tempora, o mores...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

On itunes, everything mentioned so far, and some things not, are available

Friedhofer: The Adventures of Marco Polo & The Lodger by Moscow Symphony Orchestra & William Stromberg
https://itun.es/us/zehXl

The Film Music of Hugo Friedhofer by Kurt Graunke & Graunke Symphony Orchestra
https://itun.es/us/5audr


Two versions of best years of our lives. One label x and other sound factory digitally remastered

The Best Years of Our Lives (Original Motion Picture Score) by Hugo Friedhofer
https://itun.es/us/2oJYm

The Best Years of Our Lives (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) [Digitally Remastered] by Hugo Friedhofer
https://itun.es/us/qEKtQ

And last but not least

The Bishop's Wife (Soundtrack from the Motion Picture) by Hugo Friedhofer
https://itun.es/us/O0Z_q

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2014 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

To find all of friedhofer on iTunes you oddly have to search hudo friedhofer. Hugo doesn't bring all of them up. There is a rocket Hugo w. Friedhofer as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2016 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Not usually a thread bumper but I wanted to see if there'd been any conversation about the original mix vs. the new mix.

I never even knew there was a new mix - now I have it and have gone back and forth between it and the older CD (based on the LP mix). First of all when Lasher says the original close miking favored the xylophone I almost burst out laughing - listen to the original mix - the xylophone sounds like it's down the hall from the rest of the orchestra - nor does the original close miking favor any of the other instruments he lists - the miking has nothing to do with favoring, the mix itself does the favoring. So, what do I hear?

Certainly things have been "smoothed" out a bit in the remix - the strings are firmly over on the left whereas in the original mix they're closer to center, which was always weird. The original mix always had some crudity to it, but it also had detail. The main problem with the remix is not the mix so much as the mastering - it's been mastered about 5db lower than the original and it would seem Mr. Lasher has done everything possible to make it sound like most of the Varese re-recordings, i.e. that washy and distant concert hall sound. Some of the remix is an improvement, certainly, but he even says in the booklet that it's mastered brightly and we should all turn our treble controls down - um, no, you don't want us turning knobs, that's your job, Mr. Producer. It seems to get better as it goes along, but I really hate pumping the sound on my end to have it be at a normal volume level. So, I prefer the original mastering and mix in certain ways because it sounds more like a film score to me. And I prefer certain tracks in the remix - I certainly prefer none of the 2000 remastering. I don't know what's on the eight track tapes, I wasn't at the sessions, but part of me would love to get my mitts on this thing and have my way with it.

All that said, the music's the thing, and it remains, for me, the finest film score ever written.

 
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