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 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

I remember the controversy here over Bates' score and its lifts from "Titus" when "300" first came out, so it looks like WB heard from the lawyers as well. Has there ever been another *public* apology and admission of plagiarism regarding film music?

Warner Bros. Pictures acknowledges and regrets that a number of the music cues for the score of "300" were, without our knowledge or participation, derived from music composed by Academy Award winning composer Elliot Goldenthal for the motion picture "Titus." Warner Bros. Pictures has great respect for Elliot, our longtime collaborator, and is pleased to have amicably resolved this matter.

As posted 7/31 on: http://www.300ondvd.com

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   scorechaser   (Member)

I remember a "controversity" regarding Hans Zimmer and Ennio Morricone once, but I am not sure...

Philipp

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

So was the complete recordings canceled?

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 9:48 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

That. Is. Awesome. News.

But I love that it says "without our knowledge or participation."

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I honestly don't know what to think of this. I mean - we already knew that this movie had "borrowed"/"lifted"/whatever, so admitting guilt means nothing.

In a court of law, pleading "No contest" is just an admission of guilt - you still get punished for it.

That aside - I have it from someone who works with Elliot that he wasn't particularly concerned or offended with Bates's "re-use" of his score. The whole "amicable resolution" thing strikes me as a little weird, in that light.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

Holy $&*!

The fact that this statement appears on an official Warner Brothers website means that it was an agreed-upon part of a settlement.

Interesting. Wonder who brought this up to WB's attention?

-- Jon

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Pete Apruzzese   (Member)

I would guess the public apology and admission is part of whatever settlement the lawyers came up with.

There was a note posted on the display for the "300" DVD at Best Buy indicating to go to the website for "important information regarding the source of the music score." I would have to guess that *someone* was mighty unhappy about the plagiarism to require that type of public admission of guilt.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I would guess the public apology and admission is part of whatever settlement the lawyers came up with.

There was a note posted on the display for the "300" DVD at Best Buy indicating to go to the website for "important information regarding the source of the music score." I would have to guess that *someone* was mighty unhappy about the plagiarism to require that type of public admission of guilt.


My guess is that we can ultimately blame the filmmakers, who, I think it's fairly obvious, temped the film with Mr. Goldenthal's score and directed the film's composer to copy it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

At least they have good taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Too late for april 1st and too early for christmas miracles... ah well I'll buy the explanation razz

Do you believe they will also print this on the soundtrack album ? wink

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   The_Mark_of_Score-O   (Member)

Both film and audience would've been better served if they'd stolen cues from Miklós Rózsa, instead.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   theOzman   (Member)

I wonder how this will effect TYLER BATES career?

- OZ

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I wonder how this will effect TYLER BATES career?

Not one tiny bit.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I wonder how this will effect TYLER BATES career?

With the more and more common trend of directors like Sam Raimi raging against composers to get as close as they can to a temptrack - Bate's career is bound to take off if he keeps at this (but not for a good reason)

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

I wonder how this will effect TYLER BATES career?

Not one tiny bit.


I agree. There was this composer who settled with the Rozsa-estate for a his 'adaption' of Armacord. His career didn't sank either. On the contrary, he was quite succesful with Titanic, Braveheart and some other stuff...

Cheers,
John

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Bond1965   (Member)

I wonder how this will effect TYLER BATES career?

Not one tiny bit.


I agree. There was this composer who settled with the Rozsa-estate for a his 'adaption' of Armacord. His career didn't sank either. On the contrary, he was quite succesful with Titanic, Braveheart and some other stuff...

Cheers,
John


Don't you mean NINO ROTA'S AMARCORD?

James

By the way, WB's claim that the Goldenthal tracks were used "without our knowledge or participation" is a load of baloney.

You know that someone at WB knew what was going on.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)


Don't you mean NINO ROTA'S AMARCORD?


Ouch. I stand corrected.

BTW. I'm pretty sure that the powers in WB do not are one bit about Bates' score. I read "without our knowledge or participation" as 'wouldn't it be for legal, we don't give a damn'.

Or am I to cynical?

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I wish one of our "industry people" would chime in on what they think the story is behind that Warner Brothers "disclaimer".

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Jon A. Bell   (Member)

By the way, WB's claim that the Goldenthal tracks were used "without our knowledge or participation" is a load of baloney.

You know that someone at WB knew what was going on.


Well, yes and no. Whoever made the decision at WB to post this disclaimer (which would have to come from VERY high up in the food chain) almost certainly didn't know that one of their films used some music tracks that were so close to the temp that they were effectively plagiarized. (And if Zach Snyder liked the "Titus" score so much, why didn't he simply buy the rights to the tracks in question? Ridley and Tony Scott do this all the time... not that I'm approving of it.)

However, Snyder, Tyler Bates and various other lower-level WB functionaries DID know, of course, that they were copying the temp pretty much note-for-note, and they probably got their hands slapped for thinking that they could get away with it.

(Note: this is speculation, of course, but for a studio to put a disclaimer like this on the website of a hit film that's just been released on DVD is pretty damn surprising, and you can bet that no exec or lawyer at WB wants a repeat of this.)

-- Jon

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2007 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   pete   (Member)

Which tracks on each CD are we talking about here?

 
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