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 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

This score album has been a disappointment from the time I first heard it years ago.

There are three negatives going against it:

-Very POOR sound quality
-cues shortened in many places
-plenty of missing cues

To be more specific about each issue:

-The sound quality and mixing is terrible, as there is almost no clarity in the recording whatsoever. Compare the film to the album, in any track, and you will hear a world of difference. The main titles have prominent snare drums in the film that are completely drowned out on the CD.

"Attack Of The Batwing", where you hear the Batman theme in all its glory 1:01 into the track is a muffled mess on album. In the film, the brass and tympani are clean and clear, whereas the CD is a muffled mess with no detail at all.

-The edited cues is a distraction, when you know music is missing from them. "Roof Fight", "First Confrontation", and "Attack Of The Batwing" have many moments, highlights even, cut out of them.

-with a 55 minute running time, certainly some additional cues could make their way onto a reissue.

Because the score was recorded in England, that means re-use fees aren't really an issue correct? Is it just a lack of interest among fans regarding an remastered, expanded reissue of this score?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

What you are hearing in the film isn't always what they recorded on the stage. Those edits in the music could have made to fit picture changes and do not reflect Elfman's written score.

A re-release would be nice, perhaps in 2009 with a remix, but the sound is not nearly as bad as you describe it.

Ryan

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Stefancos   (Member)


A re-release would be nice, perhaps in 2009 with a remix, but the sound is not nearly as bad as you describe it.

Ryan


I agree, it doesn't sound bad too me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

I must be either deaf or listening to a different Batman score. The CD is excellent and the sound does not differ from the suite on Elfman's compilation album. Had he felt there was a problem I am sure he would have corrected it then.

55 mins is just the right length for the album and in my very humble opinion an excellent listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 5:18 PM   
 By:   soundwave   (Member)

I like the movie version main title. And yeah I'm a novice @ this but the music does sound a little different in the movie. I guess the drum percussions or something like that..

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I never had an issue with the sound either. And isn't there only like 10 minutes of similar music missing (IIRC, there's another statement of the waltz, for instance)?

-Joshua

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 6:50 PM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

I never had an issue with the sound either. And isn't there only like 10 minutes of similar music missing (IIRC, there's another statement of the waltz, for instance)?

-Joshua


Indeed. You hear the waltz for the first time in the movie when the Joker kills Grissom. It's a short statement and really nothing new.

Frankly I've always found the album satisfying and never had a problem with the sound quality. However I wouldn't be opposed to a re-issue with more material.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

No matter the release there is always someone who complains about "sound quality"

This is understandable when one realizes that most of the population is hearing impaired from listening to music on headsets and/or gear equiped with "Subwoofers" and "mega-bass".

oy!

brm

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 6:56 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I get the feeling that this thread was started simply to make a "negative discussion" towards Elfman's CD.

None of the "problems" you cite are on the disc, and other people in this thread obviously agree.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Yes, the album is a different mix from what's in the film, but I've always found the album a great listen. And as far as the length is concerned, don't forget that the album came out in 1989, that it is so that it could still fit on an LP, and very well organized for the dual-sided formats.

I don't think it sounds that bad either... a little low by today's standards, but you can crank it up yourself.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 9:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I love this score, I love this album. It's a great listen. I would be disinclined to buy an expanded version.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 9:36 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I would be disinclined to buy an expanded version.

I don't think theres anything from the movie that needs to be on disc. Simply because we don't have every iota or note from the film on disc doesn't mean it should be there in the first place when there are things like, oh, Friedhofer's Joan Of Arc that still have to see the light of day at all...

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2007 - 9:51 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I enjoy the CD we presently have. Sure, there are a couple statements of the Batman theme I miss (particularly when he releases the balloons from the Batwing), but I have no real problem with the CD otherwise.

Would I buy a remastered, expanded version? I suppose... simply because I love the score and would appreciate any improvement. Is it necessary? Not really.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2007 - 4:15 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

I get the feeling that this thread was started simply to make a "negative discussion" towards Elfman's CD.

None of the "problems" you cite are on the disc, and other people in this thread obviously agree.


Well you got the wrong feeling. I've just been paying attention to the mix differences between the film and album, which don't have much in common. Is that your roundabout way of telling me off, too?

I don't think theres anything from the movie that needs to be on disc. Simply because we don't have every iota or note from the film on disc doesn't mean it should be there in the first place when there are things like, oh, Friedhofer's Joan Of Arc that still have to see the light of day at all...

So there's this huge problem with my mentioning that some cues on the CD are shorter than they should be?


 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2007 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Well you got the wrong feeling. I've just been paying attention to the mix differences between the film and album, which don't have much in common.

Thats... a rather common occurance. I thought everyone knew that though.

Is that your roundabout way of telling me off, too?

I've been lambasted in the past by Joe to keep certain words and a particular tone out of this forum, so I'll simply say that if I was telling you off, you wouldn't be asking me this.

So there's this huge problem with my mentioning that some cues on the CD are shorter than they should be?

Not so much that as your thoughts fall under the "You can't make everyone happy" line of complaints.

I remember reading a thread where someone was so angry there was a twenty second cue missing from Silvestri's The Mummy Returns, you'd think that Silvestri had physically assaulted the fan himself. Your reaction, however more mild, is in the same ballpark.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 7, 2007 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   ahem   (Member)

Nobody has mentioned that this is an Eric Tomlinson recording yet...

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

This was an Eric Tomlinson recording.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

I'll second that.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

So there's this huge problem with my mentioning that some cues on the CD are shorter than they should be?

That depends on your point of view. Most of us are clearly satisfied with the album. Sure there is interesting stuff in the film that isn't on it, but it is a well organized, satisfying listening experience on its own. As far as whether the cues on the album should be longer than they are, well, the album was edited by Danny Elfman and Steve Bartek, and in their opinion this was the best way to present the score on record.

Given that the score is very well represented and that there is no major thematic material left off, I think the advantages of a re-issue would be minimal. They might remaster the sound a bit, but I think that would just amount to yet another way too damn loud, dynamically compressed CD. I'd rather have the music with its dynamic range intact, thank you very much.

I personally don't always agree with the decisions of the composers when they make albums (I complain about John Williams endlessly), but I love this score - definitely the best aspect of the film - and have always been perfectly fine with the album. But as Lehah says, you can't please everybody.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2007 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   JJH   (Member)

I like the Batman score album as it currently is, sequence-wise. I wouldn't mind if it was remastered or re-issued, but it seems pointless right now to do so.

(just a side note, but I wish someone could re-issue Goldsmith's Powder).


I will always be grateful to Elfman's Batman, since it was the one piece of music that REALLY put the music bug into me. Phil Smith's (he of the NY Phil) trumpet playing is astonishing.

 
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