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 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

Its widely known that the masters are located..

The last expanded editions didnt have enough budget to release this score expanded...

Any possibility in the future? Ok, its the only weak 007/Barry score... but its a Barry and deserves an expanded release...

Thanks

NP: JOHN BARRY´s NIGHT GAMES

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 5:43 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


Ok, its the only weak 007/Barry score... but its a Barry and deserves an expanded release...

Thanks

NP: JOHN BARRY´s NIGHT GAMES


Say what?!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 5:59 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

EMI isn't interested in doing it themselves and won't license it to another company, so I'd say the odds are mighty slim.

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Of all the 007 Barry scores to expand, this one sure ain't it. It's my least favorite of his Bond scores, and it's attached to the worst film of the bunch. So sez me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 6:26 PM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)


Of all the 007 Barry scores to expand, this one sure ain't it. It's my least favorite of his Bond scores, and it's attached to the worst film of the bunch. So sez me.

IMHO, there are worse 007 movies than TMWTGG

(A view to a Kill, for example, a stupid movie, IMHO)

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 6:43 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)



IMHO, there are worse 007 movies than TMWTGG



Too true: those without a score by John Barry.

No, I don't really mean that (I think LTK is one of the best, despite the sad omission of JB) but having a JB score is one big bonus the other, non-JB scored, movies have to overcome.

I like TMWTGG - I recognise it as JB's weakest 007 score - and I think it's a lot better than the medicore TSWLM which followed it.

I don't know whether there's a great deal of extra music available and this would be a major factor in the commercial decision whether to sanction the release. I'd certainly be interested in any extra JB material.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 7:09 PM   
 By:   Dan Savio   (Member)

I think this is a far better score than Octopussy and A View To A Kill and vastly underrated [although I agree the film is quite poor]. Some of the score is lighthearted,like the film,but there's also some great suspense music,action music,the lovely slow versions of the main theme,a fair bit of YOLT-style orientalism. I would love to see an expanded release,there's quite a bit of source music unreleased as well as score such as Nick Nack's comical theme.

Can never forgive Barry for the whistle during the car stunt though-the producers must have held a gun to his head!

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 10:23 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

.. quite a bit of source music unreleased as well as score such as Nick Nack's comical theme.


Yeah, until I have that and the circus music from MOONRAKER, my life will not be complete.
smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 7, 2007 - 11:52 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

Sorry, I don't recognize the weaknesses within TMWTGG, its a strong and fun score. I'd consider MOONRAKER Barry's weakest Bond score as he used so many other themes from other composers to punctuate situational humor, but it is a good collection of Barry styled covers.

Won't they even consider allowing Lukas/FSM to release at least one limited expanded version?
Even after he helped produce all the other remastered editions?

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 3:37 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Odd little footnote here. I was still living with my parents in December of 1974 after graduating from High School May of the same year. I was on the threshhold of attending UTA (University of Texas at Arlington) when this movie was released and on my 'What do you want for Christmas list" I mentioned the OST lp for TMWTGG. I got it. I played it Christmas morning. I remember thinking, "This ain't right". The silly slide whistle thing was a harbinger that I wasn't going to be witnessing Jimmy Bond's finest hour. Some buddies of mine and I had planned to go see it that Christmas afternoon. Well...I remember walking out of the theater saying, "Phoo-yuk"?

I realized then that Barry's best Bond score days were behind him.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

I like this score far better than either A VIEW TO A KILL (dumb song) or MOONRAKER (flacid), let alone the non-Barry scores such as LIVE AND LET DIE or THE SPY WHO LOVED ME.

Nice gritty title song. The cue where Bond is flying to Scaramanga's Island is terrific. But the score also contains what I think of as the worst mistake Barry ever made in scoring a Bond film, the car jumping over the canal. The way it was scored just kind of tells you that it is a fake. But it wasn't. There was no CGI then.
Barry kind of undermined that scene (perhaps it wasn't his choice).Maybe the scene was just a bit too much to take. But just adding the old James Bond theme there, that might have worked.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I like this score far better than either A VIEW TO A KILL (dumb song) or MOONRAKER (flacid), let alone the non-Barry scores such as LIVE AND LET DIE or THE SPY WHO LOVED ME.

Nice gritty title song. The cue where Bond is flying to Scaramanga's Island is terrific. But the score also contains what I think of as the worst mistake Barry ever made in scoring a Bond film, the car jumping over the canal. The way it was scored just kind of tells you that it is a fake. But it wasn't. There was no CGI then.
Barry kind of undermined that scene (perhaps it wasn't his choice).Maybe the scene was just a bit too much to take. But just adding the old James Bond theme there, that might have worked.


I certainly agree that it's a better score than either the preceding (LALD) or succeeding (TSWLM) scores.

But whereas everyone appears to criticise the use of the whistle, personally I have no problem with this at all.

The track In Search Of Scaramanga's Island is certainly (IMO) very good and seems to be a re-take of his theme a decade earlier called Search For Vulcan (TB).

NP: Modesty Blaise ... what wasted opportunities, but for old time's sake.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   ANZALDIMAN   (Member)

Gotta love those Haband styled bell bottomed slacks Moore wears as Bond in the film.

(Is it just me, or has Christopher Lee actually aged better than Roger Moore?)





 
 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I've always had a soft spot for GOLDEN GUN; I've always felt it's vastly better than SPY, both as a film and as a score. In all honesty it is one of Barry's weaker entries, but I'd sooner to hear it than THUNDERBALL, which I've never liked at all. His Bonds got better over the years, and while I think the very best are OHMSS and DIAMONDS, the late period Roger Moore ones are still pretty fine. (A VIEW TO A KILL has always been a favourite.)

LIVE AND LET DIE is my favourite non-Barry Bond score, and none of the others come close; Kamen's entry is damn good but it doesn't feel like a Bond score (any more than Bill Conti's does). And Arnold's sort of getting there, but not yet.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Gotta love those Haband styled bell bottomed slacks Moore wears as Bond in the film.

(Is it just me, or has Christopher Lee actually aged better than Roger Moore?)

Nope. The Living Dead have a tendency to do that.




 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 11:25 AM   
 By:   The Cat   (Member)

Thing to know about TMWTGG:

1. It will not get a re-release in the forseeable future - expanded or otherwise.

2. The current release misses 40 cues, totalling at 25 minutes.

3. The third point contains information against the board rules, so I'll just delete it myself.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

In all honesty it[TMWTGG] is one of Barry's weaker entries, but I'd sooner to hear it than THUNDERBALL, which I've never liked at all.

Different people ... different tastes: I've rated TB as joint top (with OHMSS) for as long as I can remember (say early 70's when I managed to get hold of an old US import OST - somewhat scratched - of TB, I'd owned OHMSS OST since late 1970).

Similarly the movies ... and the scores in them.

And the instrumental theme "Thunderball" from the OST is, for me, 4 minutes of perfection - simply the best piece of music ever written and performed.

NP: Great Film and TV Hits of John Barry (track 13 at this moment: OHMSS) - in anticipation of receiving the new 4CD John Barry compilation (hopefully tomorrow, maybe Monday): Themependium

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

TMWTGG is probably one of my least favorite Bond films - in fact, the majority of the Bond movies I don't like are during the Moore years (though in his defense, I think he was in one of the best 007 movies - For Your Eyes Only).

And while Barry's entry in the series is one of his weakest, any expanded Bond is good in my eyes

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"Love is required/whenver he's hired/It(?) comes just before the kill"

That line alone should be reason enough to keep any further TMWTGG score releases off of the shelves.wink

It was a fortunate error that LALD got the expanded release instead of Golden Gun, IMO.

 
 Posted:   Jun 8, 2007 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

"Love is required/whenver he's hired/It(?) comes just before the kill"

That line alone should be reason enough to keep any further TMWTGG score releases off of the shelves.wink

It was a fortunate error that LALD got the expanded release instead of Golden Gun, IMO.


Why should a line in the title song (which you appear not to like) stop us hearing more of the underscore - as everyone knows there's far more to a 007 score than the title song.

And, for me: TMWTGG is a much better song than LALD.

 
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