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 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

What a nice score is Apollo 13. Not much original but funny to hear and enjoy (as happens with much of the recent Horner).

What a discovering in track "Re-Entry & Splashdown": the Tania (Schindlers List) theme from Enemy at the Gates.... wow!

NP: Francesc Gener "GAL"

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 4:35 AM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Horner's best use of that theme is probably in "Heritage of the Wolf" from Balto.

NP: Sphinx (Michael J. Lewis)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 8:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Come on, Sergio! This is the third time you've started a Horner thread with a "plagiarism" accusation tucked in. How about starting a Horner thread without any mention of what it may or may not sound like? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

hi Thor... I was so surprised when I heard it... so i couldnt avoid to share this with all of you... i also said that this score is tooooo enjoyable!

By the way: will it ever be released?

NP: Angelo Badalamentis WICKER MAN

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Horner's best use of that theme is probably in "Heritage of the Wolf" from Balto.

I would say the best use of that theme can be heard in Mahler's 8th symphony.

 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   Mike Esssss   (Member)

By the way: will it ever be released?


? Do you mean APOLLO 13? If you look hard enough you can find a promo MCA issued with about 20 more minutes of score on it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 24, 2006 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Squiddybop   (Member)

Horner wrote Mahler's 8th?!? I'd always assumed that Mahler wrote that.

NP: Hanada Shonen Shi: Yurei to Himitsu no Tunnel (Taro Iwashiro)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 25, 2006 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   tobid   (Member)

I always found it very strange that everybody bashed on ENEMY for stealing from SCHINDLER'S LIST, but few people mention a similarity between APOLLO 13 and Williams' theme. Is the movie's genre more important than the actual similarity of the themes or what's the reason for that?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2014 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   JAMES HORNER FILM MUSIC   (Member)

BETWEEN INTELLIGENCE AND SENSITIVITY: TWO DISSECTED UNTRUTHS

According to the dictionary of the French language Le Littré, untruths are "words expressing a sense being contrary to that we want to be heard."
These words are sentences we have identified on the Internet which claim that James Horner is inspired lazily or without valid reasons by recent compositions:

A – The theme of Troy (2004) is copied from David Arnold's Stargate (1994).
B – The theme of Enemy At The Gates (2001) is copied from John Williams' Schindler's List (1993).

In the Dictionary of Pedagogy by Ferdinand Buisson (1887), Ludovic Carrau explained that there are cases where the judgment is so obvious that "it is made itself;, the reflection may not be absent, but it is limited to exactly design the terms and put them in front of each other; their suitability or unsuitability immediately appear."
Here we would like to suggest that the associations Troy/-Stargate and Enemy At The Gates/-Schindler's List are based on a judgment that was made too quickly. The combination was so obvious to some people that a prolonged reflection was not necessary. It could have been though. Here' is why.

Read more: http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/between-intelligence-and-sensitivity-two-dissected-untruths/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2014 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   Randy Watson   (Member)

A – The theme of Troy (2004) is copied from David Arnold's Stargate (1994).

It's been awhile since I listened to it, but didn't Horner use that theme already in Glory?

 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2014 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   coreyfarkas   (Member)

My favorite Horner score is Casper. It combined the cool things he did on Casper with the theme I liked from Land Before Time, which is reused.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 11, 2014 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Mike West   (Member)

BETWEEN INTELLIGENCE AND SENSITIVITY: TWO DISSECTED UNTRUTHS

According to the dictionary of the French language Le Littré, untruths are "words expressing a sense being contrary to that we want to be heard."
These words are sentences we have identified on the Internet which claim that James Horner is inspired lazily or without valid reasons by recent compositions:

A – The theme of Troy (2004) is copied from David Arnold's Stargate (1994).
B – The theme of Enemy At The Gates (2001) is copied from John Williams' Schindler's List (1993).

In the Dictionary of Pedagogy by Ferdinand Buisson (1887), Ludovic Carrau explained that there are cases where the judgment is so obvious that "it is made itself;, the reflection may not be absent, but it is limited to exactly design the terms and put them in front of each other; their suitability or unsuitability immediately appear."
Here we would like to suggest that the associations Troy/-Stargate and Enemy At The Gates/-Schindler's List are based on a judgment that was made too quickly. The combination was so obvious to some people that a prolonged reflection was not necessary. It could have been though. Here' is why.

Read more: http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/between-intelligence-and-sensitivity-two-dissected-untruths/


actually I did not want to talk about the strange reappearences of somebody else's music (or his own) in James Horner's music (of which Horner says he is not aware of) again, this has been discussed so often.

And I like a lot of his music very very much, he did compose so much beautiful and original music.

You go out on a limb with your ideas. Horner is stealing creative property of a lot of composers, in
Troy for example Horner uses an entire passage stolen from Benjamin Britten's War Requiem.
(And he did that in other films also from other composers, almost literal liftings).
Horner owes Britten (and many others) for using his (their) creative
accomplishments a lot. This is morally a no-go for a composer.
And that he himself claims he does not recognize these borowings means he has some strange incapability in terms of comparing music, or some kind of memory-disfunction, or he is not aware what the difference between speaking in a certain language and speaking the exact same words and sentences means.
He is stealing musical ideas from others, that is a fact, and your arguments are ridiculous.
Sorry to be that clear, I mean no offense, but I am an active musician and composer and when it comes to stealing that obvious and unscroupolous what others spent a lot of energy on, that's not funny and no bagatelle.
And defending it this way is nothing else than deluded.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2023 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

Not sure this interview has ever been published here so....

James Horner Interview for 'Enemy the Gates' (Charlie-Rose-2001-03-01) PBS



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BlnvdjkMZI

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2023 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

All these years and no one in the thread mentioned that the same melody that made a brief appearance in Balto and Apollo 13 was later heard just as briefly in Titanic (right before the ship went under).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2023 - 12:48 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Double post for no apparent reason.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2023 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Double post for no apparent reason.

Well this thread is all about re-use of material ... so your double post would have been appropriate!
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2023 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

All these years and no one in the thread mentioned that the same melody that made a brief appearance in Balto and Apollo 13 was later heard just as briefly in Titanic (right before the ship went under).

It was indeed. Spotted it years ago in Death of Titanic. Wonderful little melody.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2023 - 1:22 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

Double post for no apparent reason.

Well this thread is all about re-use of material ... so your double post would have been appropriate!
smile


Ya got me there. Can't argue that one

 
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