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 Posted:   May 27, 2006 - 9:24 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Just caught this film on Channel 5 today (I haven't seen it in years) and some of the unreleased stuff was fantastic.
I know the original Varese CD runs over 50 mins but there are 2 lenghty jazz cues (and the sound on the European pressing is poor compared to the US release).
I would love Varese to do a DELUXE edition of this one (it's also pretty rare I think).
Can ya hear me Mr Townson?

 
 Posted:   May 27, 2006 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

isnt this just the same music from the first COCOON a little bit rearranged?

maybe those jazz cues arent by Mr Horner

 
 Posted:   May 28, 2006 - 12:34 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

EXCELLENT score, I love Cocoon return, and I also like the film, both of them. What I do is I combined the two soundtracks onto a Best of Cocoon disc. Since this soundtrack is over 50minutes, I doubt well see an expanded since so much of the music is already available, now a score like, lets say Peggy Sue Got Married where there is like 13minutes of score, now that is a PRIME candidate for an expanded score.

Also Horner's batteries not included had a few jazzie numbers on it, check that one out as well.

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2006 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Adam Cousins   (Member)

The jazz cues on The Return are excellent. But as has been said the orchestral cues are mostly rearrangements of the first score. It's very good though and an album combining both scores would be a great idea.

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2006 - 5:40 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

The jazz cues on The Return are excellent. But as has been said the orchestral cues are mostly rearrangements of the first score. It's very good though and an album combining both scores would be a great idea.

Something in my memory tells me that those cues were either arranged or orchestrated by Billy May if I'm not mistaken.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2006 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

I know the original Varese CD runs over 50 mins but there are 2 lenghty jazz cues (and the sound on the European pressing is poor compared to the US release)

Oh, you mean the Varese CD vs the Varese/Colosseum CD? I have the latter disc and didn't realise it was inferior to the US edition. I don't recall ever being displeased with the sound quality. Is there a big difference between the two?

JR

 
 
 Posted:   May 28, 2006 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Yes, there is a hiss on the German pressing that is less evident on the U.S. release frown

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

Good score, if underwhelming. The "Basketball Swing" cue is probably the highlight, even if the first minute is note-for-note from "Cafe Swing" from batteries not included. I'd enjoy a reissue if just to clean up the sound. It's almost inaudible to my ears!

Can't blame Horner for being a bit lazy here. What a stupid, poorly-executed movie.

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Yes, there is a hiss on the German pressing that is less evident on the U.S. release frown

I don't own either release, but admit that that sounds weird. What did they do? Do two different masterings, one for Europe and one for the US? I mean, the only way these two releases can sound different from each other is when the actual bits and bytes on the discs are different, and for that, the master would have to be different?

 
 Posted:   Sep 6, 2014 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Yes, there is a hiss on the German pressing that is less evident on the U.S. release frown

I don't own either release, but admit that that sounds weird. What did they do? Do two different masterings, one for Europe and one for the US? I mean, the only way these two releases can sound different from each other is when the actual bits and bytes on the discs are different, and for that, the master would have to be different?


You act like this is uncommon. It happens a lot especially from stuff in the 80s, European and Japanese pressings often have different mastering from the US versions. I remember when I was seeking several SADE albums, and I found the European pressings manufactured in Austria were very different from the US versions, and I've seen many other examples.

It sounds like the Europe version of Cocoon Returns may have used a multi generation dub.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2014 - 4:49 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

To be honest, it wasn't me who heard the difference but a mate who owned both versions.
I have the Collosseum issue and it doesn't sound that great, but it's okay I suppose.
My mate A/B'd the two discs and said there was a lack of hiss and a greater clarity of sound in the USA release that made it superior to the European pressing.
I have another mate who says, at it's just a direct copy of zeros and ones, there should be no difference whatsoever.
I think the best way to sort it all out would be to re-issue a deluxe-edition with cleaned up sound and all the additional score tracks for good measure smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 8, 2014 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)


I think the best way to sort it all out would be to re-issue a deluxe-edition with cleaned up sound and all the additional score tracks for good measure smile


YES!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2015 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

After the excellent work on the original score by Intrada - I love those extra cues - I wonder if there are any plans to upgrade and expand this one.
It's a bit like Star Trek 3 over Star Trek 2, in that same but different kind of way.
Some excellent cues unreleased in this one and the sound could certainly be greatly improved upon.
I hope an expansion is forthcoming.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 24, 2015 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

Is this my opportunity to beg??

PLEASE INTRADA!!

PLEASE DO A SUPER DELUXE EDITION OF COCOON: THE RETURN!

PPLLEEAASSEE!!!!!

Now that I have begged, I can safely say that Cocoon - and it's sequel score is my favourite James Horner composition by far! Nothing beats it, not even The Rocketeer which is my second favourite Horner Score... but first; lets release this sequel score in the same fashion as you had released the original - (properly) - it's simple. Just think about how the two Horner Star Trek scores were released... and "please" do the same!

THANK YOU!!

 
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