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 Posted:   Apr 8, 2006 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   JSteed   (Member)

...to be released by Naxos in April along with selections from "The Prisoner", "So Long at the Fair" and "The Net".

Performed by the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Carl Davis.

http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/NaxosCat/naxos_cat.asp?item_code=8.557850

And btw...
Hi to everyone on this board. I'm new here although checking it for several months now.


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2006 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

FINALLY!!!

THERE IS A GOD!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2006 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   gumdrops1   (Member)

OH NO!

I'm getting hairier by the minute in anticipation of acquiring this most excellent score.

Ahhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 8, 2006 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

Yes! And it's a fantastic performance, BTW.

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.asp?threadID=32426&forumID=1

 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2006 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Moonie   (Member)

Can us guys in the USA preorder it here yet?

sd smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2006 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

and it's a fair chunk too.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2016 - 7:40 PM   
 By:   Ed C   (Member)

Resurrecting a 10-year old thread...

Here's my film sequence run down of Frankel's surprisingly sophisticated scores to The Prisoner (1955) and The Curse of the Werewolf (1961):

http://cuebycue.blogspot.com/2016/07/the-prisoner-frankel-1955-curse-of.html

The Naxos disc sounds fantastic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2016 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Really strong thematic horror score. The "Pastorale" is gorgeous. I love this kind of lyrical British writing.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2016 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

...to be released by Naxos in April along with selections from "The Prisoner", "So Long at the Fair" and "The Net".

Performed by the Royal Liverpool Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Carl Davis.

http://www.naxos.com/mainsite/NaxosCat/naxos_cat.asp?item_code=8.557850

And btw...
Hi to everyone on this board. I'm new here although checking it for several months now.


"So Long At The Fair" was also directed by Frankel.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2016 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

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Here's my film sequence run down of Frankel's surprisingly sophisticated scores to The Prisoner (1955) and The Curse of the Werewolf (1961):


Why surprising, Ed C.?

Were you unfamiliar with Frankel up to now ... or do you mean surprising that British films would have this sort of music at those points in time?

Regarding Curse of the Werewolf's's status, the score may not be strictly serial but it is acknowledged as the first score to a British production to use 12-tone techniques.

Glad you are loving the film music by Frankel, though! It's rather rare for an FSM member to watch U.K. monochrome films from the 1950s such as The Prisoner...

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2016 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   Ed C   (Member)

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Here's my film sequence run down of Frankel's surprisingly sophisticated scores to The Prisoner (1955) and The Curse of the Werewolf (1961):


Why surprising, Ed C.?

Were you unfamiliar with Frankel up to now ... or do you mean surprising that British films would have this sort of music at those points in time?

Regarding Curse of the Werewolf's's status, the score may not be strictly serial but it is acknowledged as the first score to a British production to use 12-tone techniques.

Glad you are loving the film music by Frankel, though! It's rather rare for an FSM member to watch U.K. monochrome films from the 1950s such as The Prisoner...


Surprising because I was unfamiliar with his work. One of the objectives of my blog project to expand my own knowledge of film composers and it is definitely doing that. Actually as I mention in my post it has a more operatic or tone poem feel to it than most film scores of that period (or any period) so maybe yes to both of your questions. That's just my opinion of course, and maybe because I just saw an opera and a ballet recently...

The 12-tone "first" is acknowledged in a few places but I'm wondering who started this claim? Really to me it doesn't sound any more 12-tone to me than any other horror film score of the 50s. I mean, it's definitely not Webern-sounding!

The Prisoner was awesome! I actually liked Frankel's score to The Prisoner much more than Curse - as a big Herrmann fan it was somewhat closer to my usual language than the more melodramatic Curse. So anyways, what other Frankel would you recommend to someone looking for "dissonant music"?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2016 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Surprising because I was unfamiliar with his work. One of the objectives of my blog project to expand my own knowledge of film composers and it is definitely doing that. Actually as I mention in my post it has a more operatic or tone poem feel to it than most film scores of that period (or any period) so maybe yes to both of your questions. That's just my opinion of course, and maybe because I just saw an opera and a ballet recently...

The 12-tone "first" is acknowledged in a few places but I'm wondering who started this claim? Really to me it doesn't sound any more 12-tone to me than any other horror film score of the 50s. I mean, it's definitely not Webern-sounding!

The Prisoner was awesome! I actually liked Frankel's score to The Prisoner much more than Curse - as a big Herrmann fan it was somewhat closer to my usual language than the more melodramatic Curse. So anyways, what other Frankel would you recommend to someone looking for "dissonant music"?


Ah - so you're a Frankel newbie. smile

Let me direct you to the commendable series of Frankel recordings issued on the German CPO label, like the 8 symphonies.



Reportedly, Frankel did not commence 12-tone techniques until composing his 1st symphony in 1958.
At the time of Curse of the Werewolf, none of the composers working in the British film industry utilized dodecaphony - so this is likely why Frankel's Curse is cited as the first.
Soon thereafter, though, a number of composers followed this trend (such as Elisabeth Lutyens, Humphrey Searle's The Haunting, Richard Rodney Bennett plus more).

I think, Ed C., you should also get this book:



Frankel's estate is one of the 3 that have made arrangements with Stylotone, so if there are any surviving recordings in the Frankel estate they might surface onto vinyl similar to that label's releases on Cordell or Herrmann.

Until then, there's a paucity of Frankel's film music on disc (mainly due to unavailability of source elements).

My recommendation is to watch some of the films on which Frankel scored:

  • Give Us This Day (1949), which appeared on a U.S.A. DVD with the title Christ in Concrete and an isolated music score as a bonus feature.
  • The Clouded Yellow (1950)
  • The Man Who Watched Trains Go By (1952)
  • The End of the Affair (1954/'55)
  • Footsteps in the Fog (1955)
  • Orders to Kill (1958)
  • The Old Dark House (1963) [William Castle + Hammer Films = an Addams Family type black comedy]

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     Posted:   Jul 10, 2016 - 3:05 PM   
     By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

    Speaking of that series of recordings on CPO, I wanted to mention of the MUSIC FOR THE MOVIES CD (CPO 999 809-2). I really enjoy NIGHT OF THE IGUANA on that CD, especially the cue that was cut from the scene with Richard Burton tied up in the hammock as Deborah Kerr tells of an intimate encounter she once had ("Hannah and Shannon Theme").

    I am also a big fan of the Kenneth Alwyn-conducted recording of three cues from CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF on the Silva Screen CD, "Horror!" As a matter of fact, I like Alwyn's version better than Davis'. The orchestral playing during the climactic sequence seems more precise and more powerful.

     
     Posted:   Jul 10, 2016 - 7:51 PM   
     By:   Ed C   (Member)

    Thanks for the leads ZardozSpeaks and Jim D., one of the great benefits of sharing on this forum is getting ideas for new explorations. Yeah, I need to get that Hammer book, the reason I haven;t already is that I'm in no way a Hammer film fan. I've heard some compilations of Hammer film scores but they didn't quite "grab me" (no pun intended!). I'll have to revisit....

     
     Posted:   Jul 10, 2016 - 8:20 PM   
     By:   finder4545   (Member)

    Strange that nobody mentions the quintessential and monumental BATTLE OF THE BULGE, in the Frankel output for the cinema. I started my interest in him with this work.
    It was released in a reduced LP programm by WB with Frankel himself conducting (40 mins), and later expanded on CPO in complete form by Werner Andreas Albert, doubling the duration (nearly 80 mins). Also there is another important score by Frankel, and is 1950’s NIGHT AND THE CITY, which had in USA the original score composed by Waxman. Both were released by Screen Archive on a double compact. UK film music and composers are neglected on disc, but are absolutely first rate. I love Alan Rawsthorne, but not too much of his music is on disc, and some reminiscences of him I listened in some Gerard Schurmann's scores.

     
     Posted:   Jul 11, 2016 - 8:50 AM   
     By:   Ed C   (Member)

    I don't usually do this once I finish writing about a score, but today I re-listened to the whole thing all over again and got much more out of it (and updated my post with a few more theme-placement annotations). Also last week was a brutally hot week over here and my brain was half-baked as I was trying to enjoy the CD. Anyways, The Prisoner really reminds me of Bernard Herrmann more than ever. Great stuff, a real pity more of his scores are not available in the original recordings...

     
     
     Posted:   Jul 11, 2016 - 3:30 PM   
     By:   Les Jepson   (Member)

    Strange that nobody mentions the quintessential and monumental BATTLE OF THE BULGE, in the Frankel output for the cinema. I started my interest in him with this work.
    It was released in a reduced LP programm by WB with Frankel himself conducting (40 mins), and later expanded on CPO in complete form by Werner Andreas Albert, doubling the duration (nearly 80 mins).


    The CPO re-recording is great in that it has twice as much score, but unlike the original it doesn't have the drums struck by chains, and the "Panzerleid" doesn't compare either.

     
     
     Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 3:21 PM   
     By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

    Hey, Ed C.

    While I've never seen the 1959 film Libel, I've only just encountered this YouTube clip with 6+ minutes of musical excerpts from Frankel's music.

    https://youtu.be/2zEQRY6Eb4Q

    F's score sound top notch to me.

     
     Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 4:20 PM   
     By:   Ed C   (Member)

    Hey, Ed C.

    While I've never seen the 1959 film Libel, I've only just encountered this YouTube clip with 6+ minutes of musical excerpts from Frankel's music.

    https://youtu.be/2zEQRY6Eb4Q

    F's score sound top notch to me.


    Thanks. Hey, that 2-note rising fanfare motif thing is in The Prisoner also wink.

    Libel...prisoner...yeah I can see it being a worthy companion score!

     
     
     Posted:   Jul 13, 2016 - 10:05 PM   
     By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

    Oh my God, I just listened again to the Silva Screen recording of three cues from CURSE OF THE WEREWOLF, conducted by Kenneth Alwyn. They totally blow away the Naxos recording by Carl Davis. What a fantastic performance!

     
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