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 Posted:   Feb 19, 2006 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   John Bender   (Member)

I have been enjoying a magnificent and almost complete version (just under an hour) of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. The recording is not a bootleg; it is not for sale and it is not available to the public (I received it privately), but this thing is just shy of flawless! The score is magnificent! I used to prefer A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS over it's sequel, but now I can hear just what a major achievement FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE is. Morricone was just as inventive on the first film, but where he goes beyond FISTFUL is in his deeper understanding of just what these new westerns were meant to be. The music for FISTFUL set the tone as far as the music referencing only aspects of masculinity. This was the great departure from the American genre, which included music signifying moral uncertainty, and with an emphasis on community and normal dramatic interplay between characters (some of whom are women). Conversely, the Spaghetti Westerns do not depict the real world, but rather a mythical fantasy-scape upon which men (masculine archetypes) can act out highly stylized strategies of life and death. With FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE Morricone realized that Blondie (Joe Manco), Colonel Mortimer, Indio, and the other central male figures are not human beings like the folks in HIGH NOON or TV's Gunsmoke, but rather are cinematic realizations of male death-dreams; who will kill, who will die, how will you kill, how will you die? The only men who are truly alive are the few who have the guts to make death their way of life. This recording of the soundtrack allowed me to perceive Morricone writing larger-than-life anthems and ballads, the score is almost religious in that this is not mere music for a story about flesh-and-blood men, but rather for neo-folkloric legends. In it's own unique way Morricone's FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE is doing the same thing as Herrmann's music for THE SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD, or JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS, the score is bolstering a visionary and allegorical construct; when I hear the supernaturally eerie music of The Pulpit, or Gianna Spagnulo's Valkyrie-like articulations for The Vice of Killing, I know this to be true. On a related topic, Eastwood's Man-With-No-Name seems to have a name - Joe Manco! "Joe" we get from A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS, and when Mortimer collects on his killing in Tucumcari he is told his competition's name is "Manco". I suppose one could say that "Joe" was just something to call Eastwood instead of "Hey you!", and manco is actually Italian for "left side", which might be a nickname for Eastwood in FOR A FEW because of his habit of using his left hand for all forms of rough work, and thus saving his right specifically for his gun. Anyhow, let's hope the complete score of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE comes out soon (Digitmovies or GDM?). - John Bender

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 19, 2006 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   John Bender   (Member)

I have been enjoying a magnificent and almost complete version (just under an hour) of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. The recording is not a bootleg; it is not for sale and it is not available to the public (I received it privately), but this thing is just shy of flawless! The score is magnificent! I used to prefer A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS over it's sequel, but now I can hear just what a major achievement FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE is. Morricone was just as inventive on the first film, but where he goes beyond FISTFUL is in his deeper understanding of just what these new westerns were meant to be. The music for FISTFUL set the tone as far as the music referencing only aspects of masculinity. This was the great departure from the American genre, which included music signifying moral uncertainty, and with an emphasis on community and normal dramatic interplay between characters (some of whom are women). Conversely, the Spaghetti Westerns do not depict the real world, but rather a mythical fantasy-scape upon which men (masculine archetypes) can act out highly stylized strategies of life and death. With FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE Morricone realized that Blondie (Joe Manco), Colonel Mortimer, Indio, and the other central male figures are not human beings like the folks in HIGH NOON or TV's Gunsmoke, but rather are cinematic realizations of male death-dreams; who will kill, who will die, how will you kill, how will you die? The only men who are truly alive are the few who have the guts to make death their way of life. This recording of the soundtrack allowed me to perceive Morricone writing larger-than-life anthems and ballads, the score is almost religious in that this is not mere music for a story about flesh-and-blood men, but rather for neo-folkloric legends. In it's own unique way Morricone's FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE is doing the same thing as Herrmann's music for THE SEVENTH VOYAGE OF SINBAD, or JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS, the score is bolstering a visionary and allegorical construct; when I hear the supernaturally eerie music of The Pulpit, or Gianna Spagnulo's Valkyrie-like articulations for The Vice of Killing, I know this to be true. On a related topic, Eastwood's Man-With-No-Name seems to have a name - Joe Manco! "Joe" we get from A FISTFUL OF DOLLARS, and when Mortimer collects on his killing in Tucumcari he is told his competition's name is "Manco". I suppose one could say that "Joe" was just something to call Eastwood instead of "Hey you!", and manco is actually Italian for "left side", which might be a nickname for Eastwood in FOR A FEW because of his habit of using his left hand for all forms of rough work, and thus saving his right specifically for his gun. Anyhow, let's hope the complete score of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE comes out soon (Digitmovies or GDM?). - John Bender

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

I have been enjoying a magnificent and almost complete version (just under an hour) of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE. The recording is not a bootleg; it is not for sale and it is not available to the public (I received it privately), but this thing is just shy of flawless! - John Bender


Not a bootleg? And it's not available
to the public? If you received it
"privately" and no one else has
access to it, then it's a bootleg.
So why are you telling everyone
about a bootleg the rest of us
can't get? That's like waving
raw meat in front of a pack of
rabid wolves.

Den

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

or Gianna Spagnulo's Valkyrie-like articulations for The Vice of Killing,

I seem to recall reading that this was this was the first time tha EM used Edda Dell'Orso as soloist and not G.S.Also if you compare the mentioned track to say those in Navajo Joe or Moses(which are credited to G.S.),the soloist is (more likely) a soprano(Edda) and Navajo Joe a mezzo (Gianna).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   Nick Haysom   (Member)

So why are you telling everyone
about a bootleg the rest of us
can't get? That's like waving
raw meat in front of a pack of
rabid wolves.Den


And to say it twice as well...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)



Not a bootleg? And it's not available
to the public? If you received it
"privately" and no one else has
access to it, then it's a bootleg.
So why are you telling everyone
about a bootleg the rest of us
can't get? That's like waving
raw meat in front of a pack of
rabid wolves.

Den


I just salivated over my keyboard.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   BlanketyBlank   (Member)

I just salivated over my keyboard.

If YOU don't have a copy, this sucker must be rare!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

How does the one you talk of different from the 45-minute GDM expanded For A Few Dollars More (http://www.footlight.com/product.cfm?product_id=27707 )?

No sound effects? Entire score in stereo? Additional themes?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   john mansell   (Member)

or Gianna Spagnulo's Valkyrie-like articulations for The Vice of Killing,i am positive too it was Edda on For a few dollars more JB, dont think morricone used Spagnola on this at all, i think she was on Hills Run Red and obviously NAVAJO JOE,hers is a more earthy sounding vocal, edda,s is soaring flawless and almost heavenly.

I seem to recall reading that this was this was the first time tha EM used Edda Dell'Orso as soloist and not G.S.Also if you compare the mentioned track to say those in Navajo Joe or Moses(which are credited to G.S.),the soloist is (more likely) a soprano(Edda) and Navajo Joe a mezzo (Gianna).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I'd just like to say thumbs up to John Bender for writing such an interesting, insightful analysis of the movie and score. I appreciate such writing and interpretation.

 
 Posted:   Feb 20, 2006 - 11:39 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am still pissed that the GDM "expansion" didn't include "The Pulpit" (aka "Indio's Parable").
Payed 30 bucks for it and they left it off.

D'oh!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 3:57 AM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

The expanded edition of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE that John Bender talks about clocks in at
55:33 and has 24 tracks. It is not a bootleg as I understand it. The problem is that it's just not for sale anywhere and no doubt was never intended to be sold in stores. It differs from the GDM version in that it has no annoying sound efx, doesn't repeat tracks and features a fistful of cues that weren't on the GDM or RCA releases. Herewith the
track listing:

01. FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE - Main Title
02. TUCUMCARI
03. HIGH STAKES POKER
04. LA RESA DEI CONTI(THE RENDERING OF ACCOUNTS)
05. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "A"
a. Manco leaves town
b. The Indio Jailbreak
c. Church Showdown
d. The Pulpit(partial)
e. High Stakes Poker(partial)
f. The Vice of Killing g. Waiting for Indio's Gang
h. Explosion, Robbery and Getaway
i. Renewed Partnership
06. RIDE TO SANTA CRUZ
07. THE WATCHER WATCHED
08. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "B"
a. In the Hotel Room
b. Indiscreet
c. Indio and Mortimer
09. THE VICE OF KILLING
10. IL COLPO
11. THE POCKET WATCH
12. THE PULPIT
13. THE GENTLEMAN'S LEAVING
14. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "C"
a. Sancho Jailbreak
b. The Big Ride - "For a Few Dollars More" Theme
15. SLEEPING OUTLAWS
16. MORTIMER FOUND OUT
17. ROUGHED UP
18. THE PLAN/GETTING HIGH
19. GO KILL ALDO
20. COMES THE DAWN
21. INDIO'S FLASHBACK
22. WHEN THE CHIMES END/NOW WE START/FINAL SHOWDOWN
23. GOODBYE COLONEL
24. FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE - End Title, Alternate Mix

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

The expanded edition of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE that John Bender talks about clocks in at
55:33 and has 24 tracks. It is not a bootleg as I understand it. The problem is that it's just not for sale anywhere and no doubt was never intended to be sold in stores.


If it's not for sale commercially to the
public, and is not intended for sale
to the public, then it's a bootleg.
I haven't seen this "release" available
as a "composer promo" either, and it's
not for sale through outlets such as
Intrada or Screen Archives. So what
else could it be other than a bootleg?

Den

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 5:59 AM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

If it's not for sale commercially to the
public, and is not intended for sale
to the public, then it's a bootleg.

Irrefutable logic. Have you ever considered applying your brain power to solving world hunger?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   betenoir   (Member)

If, for example, it was one of a number of discs made for the copyright holder, who then gave it (or even sold it) to someone else, it would NOT be a bootleg. I've heard of a few cases of composers sending CDs or even CDRs of non-commercially released music to people, and those are therefore NOT bootlegs.

Having said that, I have no idea how For A Few Dollars More was aquired, so I don't know if it is a boot or not.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Reality: I have many CDs which are not commercially available and which will, most likely, never be commercially available. They are not bootlegs, they are merely things that were given to me. They are not for sale, they were never for sale, they will never be for sale. A bootleg, by its nature, is something done illegally for profit.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Reality: I have many CDs which are not commercially available and which will, most likely, never be commercially available. They are not bootlegs, they are merely things that were given to me. They are not for sale, they were never for sale, they will never be for sale. A bootleg, by its nature, is something done illegally for profit.

Oh, I see. I guess those discs that
I have of BLACK SUNDAY, BODY DOUBLE,
and THE REINCARNATION OF PETER PROUD
can't be considered bootlegs, since
they were given to me. Thanks for
clearing up that little misconception
for me. That's a big weight of guilt
that's been lifted. Whew! big grin

Den

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The expanded edition of FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE that John Bender talks about clocks in at
55:33 and has 24 tracks. It is not a bootleg as I understand it. The problem is that it's just not for sale anywhere and no doubt was never intended to be sold in stores. It differs from the GDM version in that it has no annoying sound efx, doesn't repeat tracks and features a fistful of cues that weren't on the GDM or RCA releases. Herewith the
track listing:

01. FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE - Main Title
02. TUCUMCARI
03. HIGH STAKES POKER
04. LA RESA DEI CONTI(THE RENDERING OF ACCOUNTS)
05. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "A"
a. Manco leaves town
b. The Indio Jailbreak
c. Church Showdown
d. The Pulpit(partial)
e. High Stakes Poker(partial)
f. The Vice of Killing g. Waiting for Indio's Gang
h. Explosion, Robbery and Getaway
i. Renewed Partnership
06. RIDE TO SANTA CRUZ
07. THE WATCHER WATCHED
08. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "B"
a. In the Hotel Room
b. Indiscreet
c. Indio and Mortimer
09. THE VICE OF KILLING
10. IL COLPO
11. THE POCKET WATCH
12. THE PULPIT
13. THE GENTLEMAN'S LEAVING
14. FOR A FEW MEDLEY "C"
a. Sancho Jailbreak
b. The Big Ride - "For a Few Dollars More" Theme
15. SLEEPING OUTLAWS
16. MORTIMER FOUND OUT
17. ROUGHED UP
18. THE PLAN/GETTING HIGH
19. GO KILL ALDO
20. COMES THE DAWN
21. INDIO'S FLASHBACK
22. WHEN THE CHIMES END/NOW WE START/FINAL SHOWDOWN
23. GOODBYE COLONEL
24. FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE - End Title, Alternate Mix


Jim, can you tell me which of these previously unreleased cues appear on the GDM cd, and what are the corresponding track nunbers. The GDM has no titles.

Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   Kenneth English   (Member)

Man, wish I could get my hands on this baby! Lucky... wink

Jim,

Probably a stupid question, but I have to ask: Are you the same Jim Wynorski that directed Return of the Swamp Thing and Vampirella? I LOVE those movies! big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 21, 2006 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

Are you the same Jim Wynorski that directed Return of the Swamp Thing and Vampirella? I LOVE those movies!

That's me - glad you like 'em.

 
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