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 Posted:   Feb 14, 2006 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

I just heard this score for the first time and was completely speechless. What a great musical experience!!! IT definitely is one of my favorite musical works of all time.
I now feel sorry for those who don't have it.

Alex

P.S: The price is great too: $11.95 for something that makes me feel this way is a gift.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

It's been discussed many times before Alex but better late than never.

It is indeed one of the all time great scores.

I've always felt that there was something particularly special in Barry's choral scoring that besides Morricone you don't hear anywhere else.

Williams, Goldsmith, Horner etc I can always trace to great classical influences such as Debussy, Ravel, Holst, Vaughan Williams, Prokofiev etc etc, done fantastically, without a doubt, but just not as original as the above two mentioned.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I just heard this score for the first time and was completely speechless. What a great musical experience!!! IT definitely is one of my favorite musical works of all time.
I now feel sorry for those who don't have it.

Alex


Lion in Winter is one of my all-time favorite scores. Glad to see people are rediscovering it anew!

I reccomend you see the film as well, which is completely up to par with the score it was given. Great writing, passionate, intense performances from a cast including Peter O'Toole, Kate Hepburn and Anthony Hopkins.

Its also quite remarkable that Barry was able to fashion such a broad, expansive score for such a dialog-heavy film.


Paul

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 3:07 AM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

One of my favorite scores as well. Great, bleak stuff! Good for the winter months too.

Ryan

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 3:53 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

A complete masterpiece. Its extrange that there is a lot of people that never heard this masterpiece and oscar winner score (and hear lots of stupids things by Trevor Rabin or Zimmer colleagues...). But its a Barry and its forgotten, as other great Barry scores are...

Eleneanors Arrival can be, easily, the ALL TIME GREATEST Barry track!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   c3p007   (Member)

Agree 100%.

I never thought that John had this in him - how wrong I was.
This score made me appreciate John's work so much more.

This is what film music is all about!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2006 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   sergioleone   (Member)

then dont miss The Last Valley and Mary Queen of Scots...

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   KevinSmith   (Member)

I think the opening thunderous cue coupled with the dark stone faces is what won the Oscar for that score. Much like the opening of Out of Africa with the romantic string theme and the train montage.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

I like to put this ir rotation for the holiday season. The opening might be bit dark for it, but the rest is brilliant.
The choral writing is so lovely.

After several years of helping create the sound of the 'swinging sixties' and single-handedly making it impossible for anyone else to ever score another spy movie, this is an absolute revelation of dramatic tone and orchestral color.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

It's ironic, because this has been such a favorite movie and soundtrack of mine ever since I saw the movie at the Four Star Theatre on Wilshire in Los Angeles the week it was released and would go back several times, and then bought the soundtrack LP, bought an augmented soundtrack LP, bought a soundtrack CD, bought a CD (or possibly SACD) with the choral music from the soundtrack, bought the movie on low fi mono, bought it on hi fi stereo, and bought it on DVD. But little over a week ago I watched it again on DVD and found myself not feeling quite the love for the soundtrack that I've had for it for the past 46 years. Maybe at this point I've kinda ODd on it! Heresy indeed!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Marek7   (Member)

When was the last reissue of this soundtrack? I lost mine would love to replace it. I agree with everyone. One of the best John Barry scores!

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

When was the last reissue of this soundtrack? I lost mine would love to replace it. I agree with everyone. One of the best John Barry scores!

Intrada I think.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 5:10 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

But little over a week ago I watched it again on DVD and found myself not feeling quite the love for the soundtrack that I've had for it for the past 46 years. Maybe at this point I've kinda ODd on it! Heresy indeed!

I have nothing against the score to this film, and think it supports a very talky movie well, and I love the main title cue and Eleanor's arrival cue, but I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again...

No way this should have won the Best Original Score Oscar over Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES. Jerry got robbed.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 10:09 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

No way this should have won the Best Original Score Oscar over Goldsmith's PLANET OF THE APES. Jerry got robbed.

I disagree with you, and obviously so did the academy. As great as Goldsmith's score is, Barry's opus was too grand to beat. The good thing is, of course, that we are entitled to our own opinions.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 10:26 PM   
 By:   chromaparadise   (Member)

Here's some gasoline for the fire:

If the Academy was so "perceptive" in their choice back in 1968, where does THE LION IN WINTER place on the AFI's 100 Years of Film Scores top 25, balloted in 2005?

It doesn't.

Jerry Goldsmith's score to PLANET OF THE APES is #18.

Is the Academy more valid than AFI, or vice versa? Or do we make the argument that neither of them really judges reliably...

Maybe George C. Scott had a point!

Quite the conundrum.

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

What matters is that we can play this music to our heart's content, no matter how well it did or didn't do in some, ahem, popularity contest. We know that Tchaikovsky's 1st piano concerto was pretty much hated when it premiered, and I don't think that Puccini's "Butterfly" did so well either. What matters is how we who listen to it feel about it, and to hell with the popularity contests!

 
 Posted:   Dec 23, 2013 - 11:47 PM   
 By:   JB Fan   (Member)

Here's some gasoline for the fire:

If the Academy was so "perceptive" in their choice back in 1968, where does THE LION IN WINTER place on the AFI's 100 Years of Film Scores top 25, balloted in 2005?

It doesn't.

Jerry Goldsmith's score to PLANET OF THE APES is #18.

Is the Academy more valid than AFI, or vice versa? Or do we make the argument that neither of them really judges reliably...

Maybe George C. Scott had a point!

Quite the conundrum.


Once again - Barry-haters crying about Great Goldsmith Robbery. With a lot of "evidences".
C'mon, guys, it's become too boring!
Once again - at time, when this Award was given, people made decision that Barry's score was better. We don't speak about 2005 or 2013. But in THAT year it was better.

 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2013 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

To answer the earlier question, THE LION IN WINTER was released on Sony-Legacy last. Intrada never released it.

On whether THE LION IN WINTER or PLANET OF THE APES should have won the Oscar, gee haven't we done that loads of times already?

Please, just for once, can we talk about one of the greatest scores of the 60s (THE LION IN WINTER) without it becoming about Jerry Goldsmith and his lack of Oscars?

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2013 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I actually included a cue from this in my latest celluloidtunes.no episode on Christmas film music. Everbody knows I'm not the biggest Barry fan in the world -- especially as far as his action and suspense music is concerned -- but he can write themes like few others and the choral cues in this score are absolutely gorgeous. This was a brand new acquaintance of mine, and a good one it was.

I also have the film ready to be viewed on the first available opportunity -- quite fitting now with O'Toole's recent passing.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 24, 2013 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   Vermithrax Pejorative   (Member)

Eleanor's Arrival might well be one of the loveliest film cues ever written.

In other news, I think it's common knowledge now that Goldsmith was robbed of the Oscar EVERYTIME he was nominated but hey, life goes on wink

 
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